13:03:46 #startmeeting CIP IRC weekly meeting 13:03:46 Meeting started Thu Feb 23 13:03:46 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jki. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:03:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:03:46 The meeting name has been set to 'cip_irc_weekly_meeting' 13:03:55 #topic AI review 13:04:04 1. enable more stable trees for testing (patersonc) 13:04:14 there were some updates via the ML 13:04:27 looks like "WIP", started now 13:05:00 2. report 6.1 test plan to LKML (pavel) 13:05:10 [skip, due to 1.] 13:05:15 anything else? 13:05:46 hi all 13:06:48 if not, moving on in... 13:06:50 hi 13:06:50 3 13:06:53 2 13:06:56 1 13:07:03 #topic Kernel maintenance updates 13:07:21 I did some reviews, mostly 5.10.168. 13:07:24 This week reported 4 new CVEs and 0 updated CVEs. 13:07:30 i did reviews/backports from 4.14 to 4.4 13:08:37 I reviewed 5.10.168. 13:11:11 uli: backport efforts still reasonable? 13:11:31 yeah. most stuff that doesn't apply cleanly is for non-existing code 13:11:40 good 13:12:09 anything else here? 13:13:02 3 13:13:04 2 13:13:06 1 13:13:09 #topic Kernel testing 13:13:29 oopps, missed one section 13:13:36 but now testing first 13:13:47 No updates. Still working at the previous pull request. 13:14:42 Working on fixing kselftest tests with cip kernel config 13:16:28 question: we are planning to suggest an alternative x86 target (to replace the existing SIMATIC IPC). how many boards would be needed for testing? 3 again? 13:21:25 Depend from what the usage will be, probably. 13:22:49 one will be reference target for IEC 61443 certification - that will come on top 13:22:52 Sorry but I don’t have a clear answer for this, probably patersonc knows more as lava cip administrator 13:23:01 ok, no problem 13:23:22 anything else regarding testing (before going back to kernel releases)? 13:23:40 Not from me 13:24:42 3 13:24:44 2 13:24:46 1 13:24:49 #topic Kernel release status 13:24:55 -4.4 13:25:11 on track. i'll send a request for review for a handful of manual backports tomorrow or on monday. 13:25:38 good 13:25:49 RT is later 13:25:51 -4.19 13:26:12 LTS version is v4.19.273, and latest RT is v4.19.271-rt120. 13:26:42 RT does not follow LTS yet. 13:27:29 will that affect our schedule already? 13:29:44 There is no effect on the schedule yet. 13:30:25 good 13:30:28 -5.10 13:30:29 5.10 -- we need to either do 5.10.168-cip to match with -rt, or wait for next -rt. 13:30:58 is RT due now? 13:31:15 or will it be only, thus we have more time to wait? 13:32:03 I'll need to check. But -rt releases are quite infrequent. 13:33:27 Will this week's CIP release be 5.10.168? 13:33:31 then an "exceptional" matching non-rt might be needed if it's not much effort 13:34:04 Latest RT is v5.10.168-rt83. 13:35:02 iwamatsu -- if we are doing 5.10-cip this week, 13:35:18 i'd suggest doing it on .168. 13:36:31 OK, release it in 168 to match RT. 13:36:51 thank you! 13:36:55 perfect 13:37:01 then move on 13:37:10 #topic AOB 13:37:29 I put "topics for eTSC" on the table 13:38:37 chris mentioned: "Sources files in cip-kernel-config" 13:39:03 didn't check yet what it is about 13:41:44 cip-kernel-config also manages the source code to build. I think it's about that. 13:42:07 those all.sources files? 13:42:50 I guess I give Chris the stage to explain the topic during the TSC meeting ;) 13:43:07 or cip_qemu.sources and others 13:43:59 Or I can ask Chris about this before eTSC. 13:44:38 yeah, we should sort ourselves before to clarify what we want to achive - or clarify 13:45:08 a classic topic for eTSC would be "next CIP kernel" 13:45:41 should we ask to officially start the development of 6.1-cip and announce that? 13:46:18 jki> on that topic... I don't believe there's 13:46:43 a commitment to maintain 6.1-lts-rt at the moment. 13:47:29 ok, but that could be communicated as well 13:48:23 is anyone in touch with folks from RT on that? 13:48:46 Yeah. At the moment we should start preparing explaining the issues etc. 13:49:56 there is also the RT Project quarterly meeting next Monday 13:50:00 I'd say "we are maintaining 6.1-cip" is topic for next eTSC 13:50:10 pavel: will you also participate? maybe a topic there as well 13:50:43 Yes, I have it on my schedule. 13:50:59 And yes, that's likely good topic there. 13:51:03 then let's keep that in mind 13:51:30 Is cip willing to offer resources if noone else steps up 13:51:38 ? 13:53:45 valid question - how much effort would you estimate? 13:54:51 No idea I'm afraid. I guess we could ask on the rt meeting... 13:55:21 Daniel had about a day per week back then, but that also included CIP-RT 13:55:53 and he did both 4.4 and 4.19, right? 13:56:07 That was before my time. 13:56:34 -cip-rt is low effort when corresponding -rt is maintained. 13:57:12 that is what I recall him saying as well 13:57:29 and was the reason we commited on lts-rt in the same run 13:58:49 ok... 13:58:54 That makes sense. You'll be at the same meeting for Siemens, right? 13:59:02 yep 13:59:13 And this would be TSC decision I guess. 13:59:27 But I believe our position is 13:59:39 when it is also about budget, the board is needed afterwards 14:00:05 'it is not out of question'. 14:02:32 anything else for eTSC? or for AOB? 14:03:05 aob -- that cpu bug mentioned last week was amd 14:03:22 yeah, read it 14:03:26 -- and only affecting virtualisation, so we don't care much. 14:03:30 and KVM 14:03:32 exactly 14:03:41 well, we do care about KVM 14:04:02 but not on all version, and we are not alone 14:04:33 will a fix end up in 4.19? or did it already? 14:05:11 I don't believe I seen it. It usually takes longer. 14:05:56 we should keep an eye on it, but I'm personally not aware of AMD KVM users with CIP kernel 14:06:23 maybe check if we have KVM enabled for AMD on that kernel versions 14:06:46 back than (at least 4.19), AMD was not yet that popular again 14:06:53 ok 14:06:57 anything else? 14:08:21 3 14:08:23 2 14:08:24 1 14:08:27 #endmeeting