20:05:11 #startmeeting UseCases 20:05:11 Meeting started Mon Jun 23 20:05:11 2014 UTC. The chair is alagalah. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 20:05:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:05:11 The meeting name has been set to 'usecases' 20:05:27 Hi What is the Google hangout details for the Use cases meeting today? 20:05:32 Or are we using WebEx 20:05:46 #chair busha 20:05:46 Warning: Nick not in channel: busha 20:05:46 Current chairs: alagalah busha 20:06:04 we are on webex today 20:06:05 https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/#/meetings/detail?uuid=M4NPPO6UULL1B0DFPK2HQ9VZX8-9VIB&rnd=563175.79385 20:06:42 Bhushan_: sent the link 20:06:46 #topic dvorkin sent exceptions list 20:07:49 Thanks 20:09:31 #info Cisco user vs Sales users need different access 20:10:32 #info sanjay says that some users need lower security and some need hi security 20:12:42 #info sanjay talks about a hierarchy, dvorkin say lets make subjects hierarchical, no contracts 20:15:10 #info examples are getting more complex, dvorkin says classifiers into clauses 20:16:30 #info sanjay says single list of rules, but dvorkin says this is what we are trying to avoid..... but it complicates more mainstream cases 20:19:56 #info readams proposes that we have a list of actions 20:25:29 #info readams wants to be careful of defining an exponential # of rules. 20:27:09 #chair mickey_spiegel 20:27:09 Current chairs: alagalah busha mickey_spiegel 20:27:21 #chair tbachman 20:27:21 Current chairs: alagalah busha mickey_spiegel tbachman 20:28:58 #info dvorkin says we can make an exception at the clause level 20:32:27 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Group_Policy:Sub-Groups:REQUIREMENTS#Documents 20:32:32 dvorkinista: ^^^^ 20:32:32 #info dvorkinista is going to modify the slides 20:34:40 #info dvorkinista is changing the PPT 20:50:01 #info dvorkinista is going through this email, changing topic 20:50:19 #topic Dvorkin's over-ride model 20:51:11 #info new model that defines clobber etc for contracts 20:52:18 #info lenrow points out that its more of a stack type structure where you pop stuff off 20:54:01 #info lenrow points out that AAA system has control over where things get added or clobbered 20:56:23 #info mickey_spiegel asks question about clobbering QOS 21:02:34 #info dvorkinista goes to get note book with thoughts documented 21:04:24 #info dvorkinista says that exception rules are for planning for the unplannned.... but the model should handle normal operations 21:05:21 #info dvorkinista says that normal intent should be maintained until exceptions occur with overrides 21:05:49 #info lenrow is concerned about the stack of overrides and how they resolve 21:14:12 #info I think of this as a "parent-override" the tenant is being overruled by an ancestor, no? 21:18:44 someon needs to take up scribe 21:31:09 #info unplanned policies can come in any form, says sanjay 21:31:46 #info dvorkinista infrastrcture rules that has nothing to do with user intent can happen --like DDoS detection or firewall rule 21:31:58 thanks dan 21:33:02 #info for data center scenarios , this should be sufficient says dvorkinista 21:33:37 #info lenrow says it's out of scope of GBP (i.e. for simple use case) 21:33:51 #info sanjay will work based on it. 21:34:07 #info ball passed back to lenrow 21:34:54 #info lenrow seeking volunteers to write up ideas and prsent in future meeting. UC use-cases has gone as far as we can without a straw man 21:35:26 #info such as on-demand traffic engineering use cases. 21:35:53 #info we need a volunteer for a one page description 21:36:15 #info we need more interction with SFC in ODL and SFC in IETF and invite them to these meetings 21:36:41 #info and write a paper on flow rules are written in each format. 21:36:53 #info dvorkinista has talk w/ Paul Quinn. 21:37:20 #info there are OK with GBP specifying high level intent. 21:37:32 #info lenrow asks who is north and south? 21:37:41 #info dvorkinista says GBP is north of them (SFC) 21:38:21 #info lenrow what about competing rule writers? 21:38:35 #info dvorkinista says hes, but wants to defer that. 21:38:43 #unfo 21:38:51 what is unfo :-) 21:40:03 #info an awful lot of meeting. let's see in next few days 21:40:07 #endmeeting