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00:00:17 <colinmcnamara> Colin Here
00:00:36 <paulz> Hey Colin, happy Tuesday! Just waiting for folks (obviously!)
00:01:15 <paulz> We have a list of topics that Rob posted
00:01:20 <paulz> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Documentation_Group
00:01:24 <colinmcnamara> Happy tuestday to you too
00:01:29 <paulz> :-)
00:03:23 <colinmcnamara> sorry for the typo's. In a passenger seat of a car bouncing around
00:03:39 <paulz> Not bad for that environment!
00:04:09 <colinmcnamara> :)
00:04:52 <paulz> Hi Greg
00:05:05 <gjs_cisco> Hi, sorry I’m late. Password problems
00:05:32 <paulz> No worries... waiting for Rob too, although maybe we'll get rolling if he's not here shortly
00:06:54 <paulz> #topic Welcome and Intros
00:07:38 <paulz> akim, are you on?
00:08:27 <paulz> Otherwise, it's the core crew here... intros unnecessary!
00:08:37 <colinmcnamara> k
00:09:36 <paulz> Any additional topics? If no, I can jump into actions from last time...
00:09:47 <gjs_cisco> Nothing from me.
00:10:11 <colinmcnamara> noyhing here
00:10:21 <paulz> #topic Actions from Last Meeting
00:10:46 <paulz> I think I had the main actions from last time
00:10:54 <paulz> I contacted the ODL mailer person about listserv, looks like we got a list
00:11:03 <paulz> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/mailman/listinfo/documentation
00:11:16 <paulz> I updated the project proposal
00:11:26 <paulz> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Documentation
00:11:37 <paulz> Once your feedback is in, we can submit to the ODL operating committee
00:11:50 <paulz> I didn't get any work done on the group page, but Rob did a nice job!
00:12:03 <paulz> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Documentation_Group
00:12:21 <colinmcnamara> agreed
00:13:25 <paulz> I also set up this meeting... which might not be the most successful, as we are missing a couple of folks... Rob has been a great contributor, so I want to make sure we find a time that works for him. Also, Nan from China wants to join, hence this timing... but we might need to find a better time.
00:14:00 <paulz> That's all the actions from the last one...
00:14:58 <mlemay> sorry guys
00:15:04 <mlemay> was in the wrong chnl
00:15:24 <paulz> Hi mlemay... looks like we should jump back to intros!
00:15:46 <paulz> #topic Back to Intros
00:15:50 <mlemay> I don't want to waste ppl's time
00:16:08 <mlemay> but if you guys don't mind a quickie
00:16:16 <paulz> Don't mind at all!
00:16:29 <paulz> I'm Paul Zimmerman from Cisco
00:16:30 <colinmcnamara> i dont mind
00:16:58 <gjs_cisco> I’m Greg Saunders. I work with Paul and I worked on some of the original ODL documentation last summer.
00:17:25 <colinmcnamara> I'm Colin McNamara from NexusIS. Core Reviewer on OpenStack Docs
00:17:49 <mlemay> Hi Paul, Greg, Nice to meet you (albeit virtually)
00:19:21 <mlemay> Hi Colin, right you know one of my past collegues (everett Toews)
00:19:40 <colinmcnamara> I think so
00:20:13 <paulz> Hi Nan, we're just doing intros
00:20:27 <NZHOU> Hi everyone :)
00:20:52 <NZHOU> Sorry that I am late
00:20:52 <colinmcnamara> question, do we have everything necessary in the project proposal
00:21:07 <colinmcnamara> or do we need example code
00:21:13 <paulz> OK, let's move on to that...
00:21:15 <paulz> #topic
00:21:21 <mlemay> I'm Mathieu Lemay , Inocybe Technologies (Initially an R&D shop on network virtualization since 2005)
00:21:44 <paulz> Nice to have you, Mathieu!
00:21:52 <colinmcnamara> +1
00:21:57 <paulz> #topic Project Proposal
00:22:15 <paulz> OK, on to the project proposal
00:22:16 <paulz> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Documentation
00:22:22 <mlemay> Thank you...  preproject is everyone aware of the toolchain we started?
00:22:52 <mlemay> Got some help from David Cramer in redoing the Rackspace plugins
00:22:57 <paulz> Colin, I'm not sure about the need for example code... for the proposal, what kind of code example would you suggest?
00:23:18 <paulz> No, Mathieu, not aware of it... please share!
00:23:29 <colinmcnamara> it was more a question as how much was required for approval of the proposal
00:23:58 <colinmcnamara> I've only been involved with OVSDB which was already approved, and the app policy which is much different than this
00:24:06 <paulz> Colin, looking at the other proposals, ours seems on par with the level of detail.
00:24:13 <colinmcnamara> cool
00:24:51 <mlemay> I think it is enough.. I am happy that it is considered as last time I talked about proposing a proper documentation project I was pushed to merge with Integration
00:25:28 <colinmcnamara> cool
00:25:44 <mlemay> People saw this right : http://docs.inocybe.com/install-guide/content/ch_install.html
00:25:56 <mlemay> http://docs.inocybe.com/install-guide/install-guide-20140316.pdf
00:26:15 <NZHOU> This is nice
00:26:15 <colinmcnamara> very nice
00:27:02 <mlemay> I got started on the toolchain a couple of weeks ago... I also have the following which I just removed from integration:
00:27:19 <paulz> Um, that's exactly what we've been working to propose... this is great!
00:27:21 <colinmcnamara> one thing that I think we can add, as a todo is a kanban board location for grabbing todo tasks
00:27:28 <mlemay> https://bitbucket.org/inocybe/odl-documentation/overview
00:27:46 <mlemay> started 2 guides and 1 howto
00:27:56 <mlemay> for your consideration
00:27:58 <colinmcnamara> very cool
00:28:02 <mlemay> sorry to be throwing this at you gu ys
00:28:10 <gjs_cisco> Wow, your off to a great start
00:28:11 <mlemay> just didn't know about the group
00:28:22 <colinmcnamara> i always think it is great to see people so eager and able to contribute
00:28:25 <colinmcnamara> thats a good thing :)
00:28:33 <colinmcnamara> my perspective at least
00:28:45 <paulz> No need for apologies... this is meeting #2 on IRC, so you're here pretty close to the beginning!
00:29:42 <paulz> So this is a huge amount of the tooling work that we have been considering... Mathieu, you've definitely moved this project ahead already.
00:30:03 <mlemay> ok great.. :) thanks..  We started post-summit as I believe it is still very much needed
00:30:21 <mlemay> Right now Docbook works but I'm going to fix Asciidoc shortly
00:30:41 <paulz> So Mathieu, can we give you the action to write something up on this toolchain so we can have a greater understanding of what you set up?
00:30:50 <mlemay> yes
00:30:55 <mlemay> no problem
00:31:01 <mlemay> do you want it on wiki?
00:31:03 <colinmcnamara> fyi, battery is about to die. if I drop, not ignoring anyone
00:31:13 <paulz> #action Mathieu to document the work he's done on the toolchain
00:31:16 <NZHOU> Yes, so we can also contribute :)
00:31:27 <paulz> No worries, Colin... hang in there@!
00:31:42 <akim> paulz, hi
00:31:58 <mlemay> perfect
00:32:01 <paulz> Hi akim... mind if you give a quick intro on who you are?
00:32:17 <mlemay> One thing to note, Phil asked me to put toolchain plugin outside as it's Apache
00:32:32 <mlemay> which is why the plugin itself is on github
00:32:35 <akim> paulz, im andrew kim from cisco, committer on opendaylight controller project
00:32:43 <paulz> OK, great!
00:33:01 <akim> trying to start a project and thought i might help out with documentation
00:33:09 <paulz> Sounds good.
00:33:10 <networkstatic> hi guys
00:33:44 <mlemay> feel free to make changes to it , it's a fork from Rackspace.. and I also my my branding for our distro but I'm planning to reorganize the branding structure as an external maven dep, the way rackspace did it is really hardcoded
00:34:15 <paulz> OK, back to the project proposal... looks like we have a toolchain set up for evaluation, so that's an excellent start. As far as the proposal, do we need to add anything to the doc about this before submitting it to the Operating Committee?
00:34:47 <mlemay> Paulz: I liked your proposal page , I think the goals are pretty much right-on...
00:35:59 <paulz> OK, let's get it in then... if the OC has any issues, I'm sure they will let us know.
00:36:19 <NZHOU> One thing on the proposal page
00:36:56 <NZHOU> sometime you mention subproject (Doc Tools Workflow) while sometimes you mention project (Content Conversion)
00:37:17 <paulz> Ah, inconsistency... I'll fix that. Thanks for finding it!
00:37:28 <NZHOU> Thx Paul!!
00:37:36 <paulz> #action Paul to clean up proposal before submitting to OC
00:38:14 <paulz> Otherwise, it sounds like we're OK to move forward... any other concerns?
00:38:30 <networkstatic> love the diversity fwiw
00:38:39 <networkstatic> awesome group
00:38:42 <NZHOU> No other concerns from my side
00:38:59 <networkstatic> one Q
00:39:05 <networkstatic> is this a standing meeting?
00:39:07 <networkstatic> weekly
00:39:18 <networkstatic> Id like to add it to the list of meetings
00:39:35 <networkstatic> if its standing
00:40:06 <paulz> Yes... we've been struggling with finding a time, but I think this will be it... many of us are on the US West Coast, but Nan is in China (so early in the morning for him), and of course, it's a worldwide project, so we want to find a good time.
00:40:09 <paulz> I think we
00:40:33 <paulz> are OK with this time... Andrew, I'll add you to the meeting invite that I send out.
00:40:44 <mlemay> Paul: diddo for me plz
00:40:55 <paulz> You got it, Mathieu!
00:40:59 <networkstatic> would you mind adding bsalisbu@redhat.com pls.
00:41:04 <NZHOU> Thank you Paul
00:41:13 <paulz> OK, sounds like once I make some edits, we're OK with submitting. Agreed?
00:41:23 <mlemay> +1
00:41:33 <gjs_cisco> agreed
00:41:34 <NZHOU> yeah
00:41:40 <networkstatic> quick note
00:41:47 <networkstatic> if u guys want a project to pilot anything
00:41:52 <networkstatic> please feel free to use ovsdb
00:41:57 <paulz> #agreed Paul will make edits to proposal and submit to OC
00:42:17 <networkstatic> its wide open to the project if you need a place to try new things etc
00:42:28 <mlemay> networkstatic: Actually would love to get the edits on your blog I ripped off ;)
00:42:47 <networkstatic> hahaha, u got it!
00:43:01 <paulz> OK, thanks! I know some folks are also asking for MD-SAL, but since that is more mature, maybe the ovsdb is a better place to start...
00:43:19 <networkstatic> whatever works for u guys
00:43:22 <akim> paulz, sounds good
00:43:29 <networkstatic> just wanted to make sure the offer is there
00:43:48 <paulz> Thanks! Any other thoughts on the proposal right now?
00:44:19 <mlemay> networkstatic: Actually I've been working on proper site-deploy stuff along with the docs repo I prototyped to get API synchronicity using WADLs maybe I could touch base offline?
00:44:34 <mlemay> paulz: Will you be submitting to the next TSC?
00:45:17 <networkstatic> for sure, sounds good, also anytime u guys want to spread the word on the Monday TWS call just ping and we will get u on the agenda
00:45:26 <networkstatic> or add yourself to the TWS agenda in the wiki :)
00:45:36 <paulz> OK, that sounds good!
00:46:04 <paulz> And Mathieu, yeah, let
00:46:10 <paulz> s talk offline
00:46:37 <mlemay> paulz: ok works for me get in touch anytime I'm almost always on IRC
00:46:55 <paulz> Great!
00:47:02 <paulz> #topic Efforts around the Hackfest 3/27-3/28 in Napa, CA
00:47:26 <networkstatic> thanks guys, night!
00:47:29 <paulz> Rob added this topic... I actually don't have any details, and Rob isn't with us... anyone have any info on how this is a doc thing?
00:47:39 <paulz> Bye, Andrew!
00:47:48 <akim> im still here :)
00:47:59 <networkstatic> lol
00:48:05 <NZHOU> :)
00:48:13 <paulz> Sorry, wrong one!
00:48:19 <networkstatic> lol
00:48:45 <networkstatic> hey akim , u online for another few minuts?
00:48:53 <networkstatic> can u check  git clone git://openvswitch.org/openvswitch
00:49:01 <networkstatic> Im getting a connection refused
00:49:04 <paulz> OK, sounds like I'll follow up with Rob on the Hackfest
00:49:17 <paulz> #action Paul to follow up with Rob on what's up with the Hackfest
00:49:18 <akim> sure
00:49:25 <networkstatic> remote Hackfest would be easy too
00:49:29 <networkstatic> er docfest
00:49:36 <networkstatic> I love the book opentack does
00:49:43 <networkstatic> they are a machine
00:49:50 <akim> networkstatic, yep, getting connection refused as well
00:49:55 <networkstatic> crap
00:49:57 <networkstatic> thanks sir
00:50:03 <akim> np
00:50:21 <networkstatic> can we make our wiki look exactly like OpenStacks?
00:50:27 <networkstatic> i hate our wiki
00:50:33 <networkstatic> makes me depressed
00:50:36 <networkstatic> :)
00:50:48 <networkstatic> openstackers are so fancy
00:50:54 <paulz> Our wiki needs a lot of work, for sure... it's a bit chaotic. Part of the project plan!
00:51:08 <networkstatic> awesome, we are lucky to have u guys
00:51:20 <networkstatic> Paul im brent btw sir, nice to meet, heard great things about u
00:51:49 <networkstatic> I will get some of the OVSDBplugin guys in to fill up the room some more
00:51:49 <paulz> Hi Brent, thanks for joining us! This is a nice segue into one of our last topics of the day...
00:52:11 <paulz> #topic Recruiting Additional Volunteers
00:52:22 <networkstatic> omg, im so sorry, i thought we were done
00:52:30 <akim> haha
00:52:30 <paulz> No worries... getting close!
00:52:49 <networkstatic> gawd, im an idiot, shutting up now
00:53:18 <mlemay> lol
00:53:31 <paulz> We have 3 new folks today... great!! I would guess that once we have an "official" project, we'll find a few more folks as well... I suggest we table this one until the proposal is submitted...
00:54:33 <paulz> Once we are up and rolling with Mathieu's workflow and we're diving into the content, we'll definitely need a few more warm bodies!
00:55:04 <mlemay> perfect... workes for me
00:55:08 <mlemay> *works
00:55:19 <mlemay> anything to do during the hackfest
00:55:23 <gjs_cisco> I have some bandwidth over the next couple of weeks, so if anyone needs help with anything….
00:55:32 <mlemay> (I might have to be involved with Jan on MD-SAL stuff which is why I am asking)
00:56:24 <paulz> Rob put up the stuff on the Hackfest... not sure exactly what he had in mind...
00:56:44 <mlemay> ok
00:56:53 <paulz> I'll follow up with him directly.
00:57:46 <mlemay> sounds good.. let me know when we have  a "repo" in the meantime I can let you know as I evolve from our internal one
00:57:55 <paulz> OK, great!!
00:58:07 <paulz> One more topic....
00:58:17 <paulz> #topic Any other topics?
00:58:25 <paulz> OK, the floor is open!
00:59:18 <paulz> *crickets*
00:59:30 <mlemay> haha no
00:59:33 <mlemay> actually
00:59:34 <mlemay> yes
00:59:41 <mlemay> any additional wish lish
01:00:00 <akim> im good
01:00:39 <paulz> For me, I'd like to have a deeper understanding of what you set up before I start adding stuff to it...
01:00:46 <mlemay> paulz: ok
01:01:25 <NZHOU> i am ok
01:02:10 <mlemay> paulz: any place on wiki where I can put the info?
01:02:53 <paulz> For the tool description, yes! Well... kind of... we have our group page here
01:02:54 <paulz> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Documentation_Group
01:03:14 <paulz> If you put a subpage on that, maybe that would be a good place for the description?
01:03:52 <mlemay> ok
01:03:53 <paulz> If there's a better home, we can always move it later!
01:04:23 <mlemay> I'll start from there
01:04:31 <paulz> Great.
01:05:26 <paulz> Alright, sounds like we're wrapping up then... I'll clean up and submit the proposal, Mathieu will start documenting his tools setup, we'll get info from Rob on the Hackfest, and we'll be here again next week if not sooner!
01:05:53 <paulz> Mathieu, I'll follow up with you outside of this meeting too
01:07:36 <mlemay> perfect anytime
01:08:04 <paulz> Thanks, everyone... great to have some excellent contributors here!!
01:08:22 <mlemay> Thanks all.. don't hesitate to get in touch with me
01:09:04 <paulz> Will do!
01:09:08 <paulz> #endmeeting