============================= #opendaylight-meeting Meeting ============================= Meeting started by phrobb at 17:00:08 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2014/opendaylight-meeting.2014-04-10-17.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * dmm (dmm, 17:00:15) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main#Meeting_Agenda (dmm, 17:00:24) * TSC members please #info in (phrobb, 17:00:57) * Ed Warnicke (edwarnicke___, 17:03:01) * Chris Wright (cdub, 17:03:31) * vijoy (vijoy, 17:04:28) * Kent Watsen (kwatsen, 17:04:59) * Rob Dolin proxy for Rajeev Nagar (Microsoft) (RobDolin, 17:05:10) * Agenda Bashing (phrobb, 17:05:51) * Chris Price joined (ChrsPriceAB, 17:06:08) * If anyone has any comments for last week's minutes, please make them in meeting, or on the TSC mailing list (phrobb, 17:07:21) * Creation Review - Documentation (phrobb, 17:07:50) * ACTION: take discussion and proposed revision of charter re election to list (deadline 6/2/2014) (regXboi, 17:07:52) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Documentation (edwarnicke___, 17:08:06) * dmm asks about documentation automation (RobDolin_, 17:11:51) * : q - how much automation/tooling available? (phrobb, 17:11:54) * regXboi asks how docs thrown off as side effect of project build fits in to this doc plan (phrobb, 17:13:05) * regXboi asks about build generated docs like maven site generation (edwarnicke___, 17:13:09) * regXboi volunteers to be a committed resource for the documentation project if it includes auto-generated documentation (RobDolin_, 17:17:10) * dmm asks: will there be outgoing documentation as well as technical documentation ? (RobDolin_, 17:18:33) * Mathieu and Paul suggest this may be down the road (RobDolin_, 17:18:53) * regXboi has added himself as resource and committer (regXboi, 17:20:46) * AGREED: The Documentation Project into Incubation (phrobb, 17:21:31) * Creation Review Dynamic Resource Reservation (phrobb, 17:22:22) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Dynamic_Resource_Reservation (edwarnicke___, 17:25:49) * point made that GBP may already provide the northbound plugin for this project (regXboi, 17:36:42) * question about what protocols would be used for SB (regXboi, 17:38:26) * answer there are multiple protocols that can be used (regXboi, 17:39:26) * statement that those points should be added to the proposal (regXboi, 17:39:39) * question about reuse of existing components (specific topology manager) (regXboi, 17:39:57) * answer is that it is still be considered (regXboi, 17:40:18) * slight digression about how to allow this project to interwork with topology manager (regXboi, 17:41:42) * Question before the TSC is whether to move the Dynamic Resource Project to Incubation (RobDolin_, 17:43:29) * AGREED: dynamic resource project to incubation (regXboi, 17:43:46) * Helium Release Schedule (phrobb, 17:44:08) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Helium_Release_Plan (edwarnicke___, 17:44:13) * changes being highlighted: no later than M2 as part of the Gerrit/Jenkins merge process participating projects must push their binary artifacts to the Nexus repo. (regXboi, 17:46:44) * No uses of System.out.println in non testcase code. (regXboi, 17:47:04) * No dependencies on 3rd party (non-ODL) snapshot versions (regXboi, 17:47:16) * aspirations and intentions added as "stretch goals" (regXboi, 17:49:12) * regXboi (Ryan Moats, IBM) expresses a concern with continuous documentation not being part of Helium (RobDolin_, 17:50:48) * edwarnicke__ suggests that requiring continuous documentation for Helium will be a high bar (RobDolin_, 17:53:06) * dmm (David Meyer, Brocade) expresses agreement with Ed (RobDolin_, 17:53:28) * regXboi suggests if we're starting continuous integration in M3, we should also have continuous documentation (RobDolin_, 17:54:20) * regXboi asks: If this is an approved draft schedule, does this go into stone in such a way that we can't add continuous documentation in M3? (RobDolin_, 17:55:44) * regXboi's happy question - is this release plan in stone, or can we mandate Continuous-docs later? - Answer from edwarnicke___ "no we can change the criteria mid-stream (phrobb, 17:56:06) * EdWarnicke__ suggests we could move commencing user-facing documentation from M5 to M3 (RobDolin_, 17:57:15) * cdub suggests that you can start documentation even if you haven't locked-down APIs (RobDolin_, 18:02:39) * the Documentation Project may be able to provide recommendations to projects for docs to be produced (phrobb, 18:04:38) * AGREED: moving doc start from M5->M3 (regXboi, 18:05:19) * ACTION: Documentation group to provide guidance to projects on documentation produced (phrobb, 18:05:28) * dmm suggests changing all TSC "musts" to "Commits to" (phrobb, 18:09:09) * concern that having Lithium Plan finalized in M2 would lead to Lithium not having to implement continuous documentation (regXboi, 18:11:15) * edwarnicke__ points out this is more general that just documentation, it may preclude including learnings from Helium (regXboi, 18:12:46) * cdub suggests we could push-out the Litinum release plan to M4 or M5; and release planning cycles should be easier as we gain more xperience. (RobDolin_, 18:12:59) * edwarnicke__ is worried about having the "bones" of lithium earlier in the process (regXboi, 18:14:14) * so that new projects have an understanding of the sechedule sooner rather than later (regXboi, 18:14:40) * discussion of how to schedule Lithium in a way that provides forward visibility to new projects (regXboi, 18:18:40) * lenrow proposes putting out provisional schedules for Lithium (and maybe Berrylium) (regXboi, 18:23:09) * which corresponds to cdub's proposal (regXboi, 18:23:21) * colindixon points out that we have to get to an annual template (regXboi, 18:23:44) * correction: proposal from kwatsen, not lenrow (regXboi, 18:24:17) * edwarnicke__ pushes back that he wants time for review and consideration (regXboi, 18:24:34) * and community discussion (edwarnicke___, 18:24:44) * regXboi asks if there is a proposal to put the helium and lithium and subsequent release schedules on the public page (regXboi, 18:31:25) * LINK: http://www.opendaylight.org/resources/getting-started-guide is currently linked from www.opendaylight.org (RobDolin_, 18:31:47) * ACTION: we need to put links on the opendaylight page to the schedule, mailing lists and irc channel lists (regXboi, 18:31:59) * discussion of provisional dates for service releases (regXboi, 18:46:38) * cdub argues that he doesn't want to set the dates for stable releases, because things happen (colindixon, 18:48:28) * edwarnicke___ wants to let developers plan vacations after releases w/o worrying about having to ship stable updates (colindixon, 18:48:52) * AGREED: resolution is to set the dates as provisional and that they can be modified as needed, e.g., for critical bug fixes (colindixon, 18:49:58) * colindixon is concerned how as a community we enforce these deadlines as we didn't do it well in Hydrogen (phrobb, 18:51:43) * note that the TSC can let projects join after M1 (within reason) for extenuating circumstances, e.g., IPR review (colindixon, 18:53:48) * edwarnicke___ notes that a project split into 2 projects may need until M3 to have their release plans created/updated.. ie Project A splits into B & C, B & C need to accomodate everything identified in the original project A (phrobb, 18:54:47) * cdub calls for a vote on the schedule (RobDolin_, 19:00:12) * Vote to adopt the Full Release plan for Helium presented today (phrobb, 19:01:02) * AGREED: the Full Release Plan for Helium presented is approved (phrobb, 19:01:24) Meeting ended at 19:02:03 UTC. Action Items ------------ * take discussion and proposed revision of charter re election to list (deadline 6/2/2014) * Documentation group to provide guidance to projects on documentation produced * we need to put links on the opendaylight page to the schedule, mailing lists and irc channel lists Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * take discussion and proposed revision of charter re election to list (deadline 6/2/2014) * Documentation group to provide guidance to projects on documentation produced * we need to put links on the opendaylight page to the schedule, mailing lists and irc channel lists People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * regXboi (60) * networkstatic (43) * RobDolin_ (29) * phrobb (26) * alagalah (26) * edwarnicke___ (16) * cdub (16) * colindixon (14) * dmm (8) * odl_meetbot (4) * vijoy (3) * lenrow (2) * ChrsPriceAB (2) * RobDolin (2) * mlemay (2) * mrberner-mobile (1) * kwatsen (1) * phudgins (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot