16:56:44 <phrobb> #startmeeting
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16:57:01 <phrobb> #topic TSC Members please #info in
16:57:06 <dmm> #info dmm
17:01:31 <kwatsen> #info Kent Watsen
17:02:18 <colindixon> has the meeting started?
17:02:24 <phrobb> yet
17:02:25 <icbts> Yes
17:02:26 <phrobb> yes
17:02:38 <colindixon> #info Colin Dixon (represent IBM on behalf of Vijoy)
17:02:43 <edwarnicke___> #info Ed Warnicke
17:03:04 <RobDolin> #info Rob Dolin proxy for Rajeev Nagar (Microsoft)
17:03:20 <phrobb> #chair colindixon RobDolin
17:03:20 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: RobDolin colindixon phrobb
17:03:52 <colindixon> RobDolin: are you on the webex call?
17:04:16 <RobDolin> @ColinDixon, I'm waiting for WebEx to connect...
17:04:23 <colindixon> all good
17:04:48 <colindixon> RobDolin: dmm was asking if you are the designated proxy this week
17:04:50 <colindixon> we haven't seen mail
17:06:04 <dmm> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main#Meeting_Agenda
17:06:42 <phrobb> #topic Agenda Bashings
17:06:50 <RobDolin> #topic Agenda Bashing
17:07:22 <RobDolin> #info dmm points people to the agenda mentioning that today's agenda has time boundaries
17:08:01 <RobDolin> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main <- includes agenda for today
17:10:17 <RobDolin> #info David Meyer asked if Colin is ready for creation review and Colin says he is.
17:11:21 <RobDolin> #topic Release Manager Update
17:12:26 <RobDolin> #info Phil Robb reports that Huawei is interested in helping to fulfill the Release Manager role
17:13:32 <RobDolin> #info Ed Warnicke suggests it is healthy for leadership to emerge
17:14:01 <colindixon> RobDolin: let me know if you want me to pick up scribing any time except for my creation review
17:14:26 <RobDolin> @ColinDixon, would you mind picking-up for this topic?
17:14:33 <RobDolin> #topic Helium Release Plan
17:14:34 <colindixon> sure
17:16:01 <RobDolin> Thanks :)
17:16:24 <cdub> #info Chris Wright here (apologies for being late)
17:17:01 <colindixon> #link Ed brings up his concerns about helium release dates expressed here: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-April/001074.html
17:18:32 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke___ would like to allow all projects that get their proposals in by 4/30/2014, to be allowed to participate in the Helium release
17:19:04 <edwarnicke___> #info and also reviewed by the Thursday 5/15/2014
17:19:43 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-April/001074.html the actual link to the e-mail Ed sent (messed up the #link)
17:20:39 <colindixon> #info dmm and colindixon express their support for Ed's proposal
17:21:35 <regXboi> folks - I'm around to help scribe now that I'm finished with lunch...
17:21:43 <colindixon> #info RobDolin expresses his support, and goes further than that saying that we should err on the side of inclusivity in allowing people that come possibly even later than 4/30 and 5/15 (for proposal and review)
17:25:06 <cdub> this isn't that hard...
17:25:27 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke___ expresses some concern around making sure that there is enough time for projects to collaborate during the simultaneous release
17:25:33 <cdub> yes, we are off by a couple days, we aren't hard-lined...so be it
17:25:52 * colindixon shuts up to allow edwarnicke___ to post his thing for the TSC to vote on
17:26:18 <edwarnicke___> #info proposal is that the TSC commit to admitting projects to the Helium Simultaenous Release which bring their project proposals by 4/30/14 and have their creation review by 5/15/14 as long as they also have Release Plans in place for the M1 time frame (linked off their proposals)
17:26:58 <cdub> #info +1
17:27:02 <RobDolin> #info +1
17:27:02 <edwarnicke___> #info +1
17:27:02 <kwatsen> +1
17:27:08 <colindixon> #info +1
17:27:11 <kwatsen> #info +1
17:27:20 <phrobb> #agreed TSC agrees to Ed Warnicke's  proposal
17:27:25 <colindixon> thanks phrobb
17:28:37 <colindixon> #topic helium release plans and venues
17:28:38 <regXboi> um...
17:28:55 <edwarnicke___> Don't you mean Lithium Release Plan Reviews?
17:28:58 <edwarnicke___> Venues
17:29:00 <regXboi> colindixon can you chair me to help as well?
17:29:06 <colindixon> #chair regXboi
17:29:06 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: RobDolin colindixon phrobb regXboi
17:29:20 <regXboi> #topic lithium release plans and venues
17:29:43 <colindixon> thanks
17:29:44 <regXboi> #info phrobb points out that venues in the Bay area are filling up quickly
17:30:06 <cdub> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Lithium_Release_Plan#Schedule
17:31:09 <RobDolin> Portland or Seattle ?
17:31:20 <regXboi> #info the problem is that there are no venues in the bay area between 5/15 and 5/25
17:31:27 <tbachman> Hawaii :)?
17:31:31 <regXboi> ooh... I like Denver!
17:31:44 <RobDolin> Kentucky ? ;)
17:31:50 <cdub> heh
17:32:00 <tbachman> networkstatic's house
17:32:06 <tbachman> everyone gets a kitty
17:32:11 <networkstatic> hehe
17:32:15 <networkstatic> yesss
17:32:25 <networkstatic> have running water toos
17:32:25 <regXboi> can't - my wife is allergic
17:32:32 <networkstatic> whaaaaat
17:32:38 <networkstatic> :(
17:32:44 <regXboi> I have a choice - cat or wife - I choose wife ;)
17:32:57 <networkstatic> tough call sir :)
17:33:30 <regXboi> #info edwarnicke__ points out that lithium planning is finalized between M1 and M2 of helium
17:33:40 <regXboi> #info phrobb points out that he *has* to pick a venue
17:33:49 <RobDolin> For Helium, our schedule has last call for proposals on 4/30 and then Release and Summit five months later on 9/30
17:34:43 <regXboi> #info phrobb is looking for a sanity check on the dates so that we can plan a venue as the lead time is longer than the release cycle...
17:34:44 <RobDolin> In the Lithium draft the schedule has last call for proposals on 10/17, Release on 4/20 (six months + 3 days)
17:35:02 <cdub> it's a year+
17:35:05 <RobDolin> We'll likely lose 3 weeks for (USA) Thanksgiving and winter holidays
17:35:52 <cdub> can't hear folks
17:37:18 <RobDolin> #info Ed Warnicke suggests we should have an initial day of tutorials
17:37:34 <regXboi> I can +1 the day of tutorials
17:37:48 <RobDolin> #info Ed Warnicke suggests we should have a design summit that doesn't conflict with other parts of program
17:37:57 <regXboi> #info phrobb says the current plan is for a full week
17:38:56 <RobDolin> Robert Varga is speaking
17:39:21 <RobDolin> #info Robert V. suggests we have a large number of developers from outside the bay area
17:39:29 <regXboi> beat me too it :)
17:39:33 <colindixon> and me
17:39:58 <RobDolin> #info Phil Robb suggests moving from the bay area would drop attendance by about 40%
17:40:06 <regXboi> man he is fast!
17:40:47 <RobDolin> #info Ed Warnicke points-out that many projects have an epicenter in Europe or Asia and a substantial portion of developer population there as well.
17:41:43 <RobDolin> #info David Meyer suggests the issue of venues, time zones, etc. be taken to the discuss alias
17:42:12 <RobDolin> #topic Preventing Eclipse Breakage
17:42:37 <regXboi> #info colindixon gives kudos to brocade folks for fixing eclipse breakade
17:43:09 <regXboi> #info but wants projects to "do no harm" in bringing in new languages and maven plugins that break eclipse
17:43:19 <RobDolin> #info Ed Warnicke also cheers the folks who did the Eclipse work
17:43:26 <regXboi> #topic  DLUX status
17:43:27 <catohornet1> Thanks Devin and Kiran!
17:43:40 <RobDolin> #topic DLUX Project Status
17:43:58 <RobDolin> Sorry Ryan I wasn't fast enough that time ;)
17:44:09 <regXboi> no worries
17:46:13 <regXboi> I'm not sure what I can #info from that
17:46:37 <tbachman> Maybe this is a moot point now, but wasn't there also an outstanding question on the licensing?
17:46:47 <phrobb> #info core developers have stepped away from DLUX and it's future is not clear
17:46:48 <regXboi> #info several of the core resources have moved on and so the project is at best thinly staffed
17:46:57 <regXboi> you win that one!
17:47:47 <phrobb> tbachman:  yes and I was working with the team on getting through that when they announced that they were stepping back
17:47:59 <tbachman> phrobb: thanks!
17:49:56 <RobDolin> #info Chris Wright suggests that we have a process in-place for time-out
17:50:39 <regXboi> #info Madhu points out that there is no management around the UI presented by opendaylight
17:51:03 <regXboi> #info all that is there is from the controller and *that* is AD-SAL focused
17:52:16 <RobDolin> #info Ryan Moats (regXboi) suggests a controller may often live under an orchestrator and the interface will be the NB APIs
17:52:36 <RobDolin> #info Jan Medved suggests a controller has more uses than just living under an orchestrator
17:52:57 <regXboi> #agreed there is no current TSC action item for DLUX
17:53:11 <edwarnicke___> #link http://www.opendaylight.org/project-lifecycle-releases
17:53:35 <RobDolin> Thanks Ed.  I was searching for that on the website.
17:54:06 <regXboi> #topic NDM Create Review
17:54:16 <regXboi> #link http://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Negotiable_Datapath_Models
17:56:01 <RobDolin> #info Colin Dixon walks people through the project proposal describing Table Type Patterns (TTPs), ...
17:56:40 <RobDolin> ... project plans, hardware targets, ...
17:56:46 <regXboi> #info colindixon points out there are some interesting hardware targets for this
17:57:59 <edwarnicke___> +1 for the slides
17:58:30 <colindixon> #link http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/TTPs%20and%20NBIs%20for%20ods2014-final_0.pdf slides
18:17:54 <cdub> ;)
18:18:27 <cdub> colindixon: thanks...just wanted to make sure we get this part
18:21:37 <icbts> http://wiki.osgi.org/wiki/Require-Capability — on MD-SAL have application require specific capabilities in their manifests (hardware case)
18:23:54 <cdub> icbts: how does that help an app? (i.e. something using REST API only)
18:24:32 <icbts> if the app is deployed on controller then it will or will not resolve deepending on if the controller host can provide the abstract capability
18:25:09 <edwarnicke___> +1 capability profiles :)
18:25:10 <cdub> right, that's why i asked about REST API only (not a bundle)
18:26:07 <icbts> good question, thats where some form of service will have to know if the controller host can handle the job.
18:26:27 <icbts> perhaps an unsupported operation or the like
18:26:31 <edwarnicke___> cdub: While I can see the value in the suggestion for bundles to use Require-Capabilities.. I also dislike intensely locking us into any particular binding and so concur we want to make sure our other bindings (like REST) also have access to them.
18:26:36 <cdub> ok, got it (means i was actually tracking what you were saying ;)
18:27:11 <edwarnicke___> (and I would be stunned if REST was the last of the bindings folks wanted to build on us... I am expecting things like messaging bus bindings to come up at some point too :) )
18:27:12 <cdub> edwarnicke___: *nod*
18:32:37 <phrobb> #info dmm calls for questions before the vote on this project to incubation
18:38:01 <dmm> @kent: get well!
18:38:21 <phrobb> #info kwatsen asks "is this a fundamental issue with OF1.3, and is this a proposal for how ODL will solve it?
18:39:40 <phrobb> #info colindixon notes that the options of OF1.3 need bounds.  the TTPs are a method to do that from the ONF… Support for these in ODL is the essence of this proposal
18:41:01 <phrobb> #info dmm calls for the vote "does the TSC want to move NDM project to incubation"?
18:41:24 <regXboi> #topic vote on NDM project to incubation
18:41:25 <phrobb> #topic vote on NDM to Incubation
18:41:33 <cdub> #info +1
18:41:36 <dmm> #info +1
18:41:44 <edwarnicke___> #info +1
18:41:50 <colindixon> #info +1
18:41:52 <RobDolin> #info +1
18:41:56 <kwatsen> #info +1
18:42:10 <regXboi> colindixon, you could have delegated somebody else as TSC for a moment :)
18:42:23 <phrobb> #agreed TSC approves the NDM project to incubation
18:42:23 <regXboi> #agreed NDM to incubation
18:42:34 <regXboi> this is becoming funny :)
18:42:38 <phrobb> :-)
18:42:46 <regXboi> and the peasants rejoiced?
18:42:52 <cdub> colindixon: related question (not to review but to NDM)
18:42:59 <drizzt_> where is the link to the NDM proposal on the wiki?
18:43:00 <RobDolin> Duplicate notes is better than no notes :)
18:43:11 <phrobb> #info colindixon calls for all/any additional help on this project is welcome
18:43:16 <cdub> colindixon: plan to attempt to include on helium
18:43:19 <cdub> drizzt_: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Negotiable_Datapath_Models
18:43:22 <RobDolin> @drizzt_ https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Negotiable_Datapath_Models
18:43:24 <phrobb> #topic Stable Release Branch
18:43:40 <colindixon> cdub: our hope is to participate
18:43:41 <drizzt_> thank you!
18:44:16 <drizzt_> For some reason wasn't listed here: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Main
18:44:22 <phrobb> #info cdub notes no substantial updates… effort moving forward, projects working on the effort, some projects are farther along than others.
18:44:59 <phrobb> #info dmm notes he will keep this as a standing agenda item
18:45:38 <phrobb> #info regXboi asks for the tag to follow the email - what to follow and post against
18:46:10 <phrobb> #info cdub notes the discussion on discuss and each project contact
18:46:53 <cdub> +1
18:46:55 <phrobb> #info dmm asks for any last pressing issues before closing
18:47:01 <edwarnicke___> +1 And the peasants rejoiced :)
18:47:10 <phrobb> #endmeeting