18:00:13 #startmeeting tsc 18:00:13 Meeting started Thu Feb 12 18:00:13 2015 UTC. The chair is phrobb. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 18:00:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:00:13 The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 18:00:41 phrobb: are you chairing people? 18:00:41 #topic Roll Call - TSC members please #info in 18:00:48 #info colindixon 18:00:52 #chair regXboi 18:00:52 Current chairs: phrobb regXboi 18:01:04 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main#Agenda the agenda in it’s usual place 18:01:05 * cdub offers dfarrell07 as his delegate today 18:01:15 cdub: thanks 18:01:19 #info uchau - proxy for HP 18:01:37 #info dfarrell07 for Red Hat/cdub 18:01:56 #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-02-05-18.00.html minutes from last week for action items 18:02:20 #info LuisGomez 18:02:21 phrobb: are you having issues getting into the webex? 18:02:24 #info kwatsen 18:02:28 #info regXboi 18:02:39 #info edwarnicke 18:02:41 #chair colindixon 18:02:41 Current chairs: colindixon phrobb regXboi 18:02:44 tbachman: is the sfc meeting still going on? 18:02:50 phrobb: ended 18:03:04 phrobb: why do you ask? 18:03:09 #info rovarga as jmedved's proxy 18:03:09 I'm having trouble getting into the webex… is it working for others? 18:03:14 #info Youcef Laribi 18:03:18 phrobb: SFC over, we went over 30min :) 18:03:21 * tbachman just notices that everybody’s got a proxy 18:03:25 phrobb - I don't even try any more 18:03:55 archiving net-virt-platform? 18:04:05 of course I can't officially bring that :-/ 18:04:21 tykeal: is it time yet? 18:04:26 one person didn't leave the sfc meeting… I just shut that one down... 18:04:37 #info mohnish anumala 18:05:29 #action colindixon to continue to follow AD-SAL deprecation between VTN, OVSDB, and controller (are ther others?) 18:05:36 #action colindixon and TSC to elaborate on proper procedure for removal of committers from a project 18:06:23 #action gzhao to work with phrobb to propose new Helium SR and the target dates 18:06:47 #action colindixon, zxiiro and others to coordinate figuring out how to set up opt-in/opt-out automatic version bump patches and tags 18:06:55 #action colindixon to start a discussion around possible use cases as focus areas for lithium on the mailing list 18:07:01 colindixon: I note that dlenrow / mlemay at the TWS two monday's ago sponsored a discussion around SR ... they wanted to get onto the TSC agenda, but with dlenrow here, perhaps this should be on next weeks agenda ? edwarnicke ??? 18:07:27 colindixon: *without dlenrow 18:07:48 colindixon: yes 18:07:48 alagalah: next week might be best indeed 18:08:06 #info gzhao says that nobody depens on SNBI so they’re being behind schedule will not impact other projects 18:08:19 colindixon: I'm around but crazy busy 18:08:20 #chair dfarrell07 18:08:20 Current chairs: colindixon dfarrell07 phrobb regXboi 18:08:22 * dfarrell07 was writing up the generic #stuffs for the creation reviews 18:08:22 mlemay: I just wanted to bring it up before I forgot (my head is a dual-very-leaky-bucket algorithm) 18:08:39 #action gzhao to ask SNBI if and when the expect to be caught up, M3? 18:09:10 #topic updates 18:09:26 #info the deadline for submisssions for the ODL summit is TOMORROW 18:09:26 #info CFP Summit deadline-deadline is tomorrow 2/12 18:09:31 dfarrell07: thanks 18:09:41 #info there’s an india forum which has a CFP that’s out 18:09:42 tomorrow is the 13th 18:09:49 #undo 18:09:49 Removing item from minutes: 18:09:50 #undo 18:09:50 Removing item from minutes: 18:09:58 snoble: thanks 18:10:00 #info CFP Summit deadline-deadline is tomorrow 2/13 18:10:26 #info there’s an india forum which has a CFP that’s out 18:10:52 #info CFP for deadline India Summit is Feb 26th 18:11:07 #info the april hackfest is scheduled for April 15-16 18:11:27 #info there’s a developer track on the monday of ONS and we’re looking to do tutorials the sunday before that 18:11:37 phrobb: Whats happening with the LF collab summit next week ? 18:11:40 #info OpenStack Summit has many talks in from ODL community, design summit talk subs not open yet 18:11:52 what are the ideas for the tutorials? 18:12:02 snoble: At the summit? 18:12:07 at ONS 18:13:09 #action phrobb to hunt down projects to see if they would continue to support Helium (at least) until Lithium is released 18:13:20 #info finished tagging Helium-SR2 on Monday (so it took one week) 18:13:31 #info that’s the best we (really zxiiro) have done so far 18:14:59 I was able to succesfully pull the Helium-SR2 tag and build it without issue (controller.git) 18:17:39 #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KPpO9LH539Vlcoa4RvLa6PPCdLifi5JD-ihRhlybqeo/edit#gid=1196332566 Lithium status readout 18:17:41 maple is still holding because of IPR... 18:17:41 #info two prjects are yellow: SNBI and VPN 18:18:20 #info OpFlex will have the M2 update by COB today... apologies for delay 18:18:21 #info Chris Price (wanders into IRC late) 18:18:28 gzhao: sdninterefaceapp is not part of lithium? 18:18:38 zxiiro: they are 18:18:39 gzhao: nevermind jsut found them 18:18:46 it's listed as ODL-SDNi so i missed it 18:19:20 zxiiro: did they migrate to jjb? 18:19:20 * tbachman wanders into TSC from other (double-booked) meeting 18:19:20 gzhao: no :( 18:19:21 #action gzhao to follow up with projects that haven’t yet reported, colindixon and/or phrobb can help 18:19:21 #action alagalah to produce Core Tutorials M2 at same time as OpFlex 18:19:57 #info tests are back to normal after the SR2 tagging 18:20:14 alagalah: it's a thing, mostly OPNFV stuff that's relevant to us as far as I know 18:20:17 #info Helium SR2 tagging effort was finished Monday, took one week 18:20:17 thank you zxiiro and tykeal for tagging work! :) 18:20:18 * dfarrell07 is having trouble hearing gzhao, audio connection 18:20:18 #action phrobb will reach out to PCMM about joining Li release 18:20:47 wooow, was there just a huge IRC lag that anyone else saw? 18:21:18 dfarrell07: i've been seeing it all morning :( 18:21:24 * ChrisPriceAB sounds good 18:21:25 zxiiro: *sigh* 18:21:53 dfarrell07: really? sorry 18:22:34 * ChrisPriceAB punt, punt. 18:22:50 #info phrobb to reach out to Rob Sherwood about closing down net-virt-platform 18:22:53 #undo 18:22:53 Removing item from minutes: 18:22:58 #action phrobb to reach out to Rob Sherwood about closing down net-virt-platform 18:23:12 #info zxiiro says as of today there are 37 project in JJB 18:23:20 #info as of today there are 37 projects in JJB 18:23:28 #undo 18:23:28 Removing item from minutes: 18:23:41 #info zxiiro says 3 of the projects are of concern b/c they aren’t responding 18:23:50 * tbachman can’t action 18:23:55 #chair tbachman 18:23:55 Current chairs: colindixon dfarrell07 phrobb regXboi tbachman 18:23:59 dfarrell07: thx :) 18:24:07 what were the projects? 18:24:12 SDNi, plugin2oc, and ? 18:24:20 zxiiro: ^^ 18:24:20 zxiiro: ^^^ 18:24:37 tbachman: sdninterfaceapp, plugin2oc and defense4all 18:24:45 #info Progress continues on ODL Forge, tykeal reports 18:24:49 #action phrobb to reach out to plugin2oc, SDNi, and defense4all about JJB migration 18:24:55 zxiiro: thx 18:24:56 thanks tbachman 18:25:00 phrobb: np 18:25:22 #info tykeal says ODL forge is still in process 18:25:27 #topic Neutron project proposal 18:25:28 #topic Creation Review for Neutron 18:25:30 #Undo 18:25:30 Removing item from minutes: 18:25:33 sorry colindixon 18:25:41 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Neutron_Northbound Project proposal wiki 18:25:48 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/project-proposals/2015-January/000251.html Proposed on 1/29/2015 18:25:48 dfarrell07: thx 18:25:52 ditto for me re webex by the way 18:26:28 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/controller-dev/2015-January/008006.html thread 1 from controller-dev list 18:26:32 * tbachman sees opportunity for company to fill this communications void 18:26:49 I get the infamous "Error 3103" every time for TSC meetings on the Android client, and my Fedora desktop is not supported 18:26:50 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/controller-dev/2015-January/008007.html thread 2 from controller-dev list on vote of committers 18:27:00 regXboi: thx for the links 18:27:08 tbachman, The issue is there are *lots* of companies filling the void :-) 18:27:16 dneary: lol! 18:27:17 colindixon: incognito tabs ? 18:27:22 tbachman, Everyone has their favourite 18:27:45 #info regXboi says that neutron, when first contributed, was made part of controller 18:27:52 Google Hangouts 20 participant limit is a big blocker 18:27:57 GoToMeeting isn't bad 18:27:59 #info regXboi says before it can be split from controller, the controller committer has to agree for it to be split off 18:28:04 BlueJeans isn't bad either 18:28:11 dneary: but best I can tell GoToMeeting doesn't allow multiple presenters 18:28:19 and I don't know if it does recording 18:28:21 #info regXboi has provided the responses frmo the controller committers in the links provided before 18:29:05 #info regXboi says one of the things we’d like to do is eventaully get to yang models 18:29:19 #info regXboi says this needs to be provider agnostic 18:30:13 #info regXboi says the initial committers list was drawn from those who had been active in neutron directories in the controller, and are still involved in ODL 18:30:53 #info regXboi says there’s no vendor-neutral issues, b/c it’s already part of ODL 18:31:14 #info tykeal asks if regXboi is planning on taking history from controller into the new project 18:31:18 #info regXboi says he’d like to 18:31:27 #info tykeal says it’s possible 18:31:44 #info regXboi would like to allow folks to maintain credit for their previous work 18:31:58 #info colindixon says if there are any commits that modified both the neutron stuff in the controller and the new project 18:32:11 colindixon: I think there's a way to do that with git filter branch 18:32:12 #info tykeal says we’d need to take the commit history and remove anything that’s from controller 18:32:16 @colindixon FYI Karthik Sundaresan of the PCMM project is now on the webex 18:32:21 dfarrell07: cool 18:32:26 phrobb: thanks 18:32:27 #info tykeal says this was done for TCPMD5 18:32:56 #info it's pretty much git filter-branch, if I remember correctly 18:33:05 you can sub-tree too 18:33:06 rovarga_: yes 18:33:19 cd into a directory and subtree it 18:33:30 #info RajeevK_ says the scope is focused on comms from ODL mechanism driver to the ODL neutron service, received by multiple ODL provider — what kind of information are you looking at 18:33:38 #info regXboi says it’s things qualified in the neutron API 18:33:54 #info RajeevK_ asks if this includes opaque objects being passed thru 18:33:59 #info regXboi says he considers this out of scope 18:34:08 #info RajeevK_ asks what’s the reasoning for this 18:34:24 #info regXboi asks why he’d want to be interested in this 18:34:35 * ChrisPriceAB tbachman info-arguing with himself! 18:34:41 regXboi: you could augment/anyxml it :) 18:34:49 #info RajeevK_ says he doesn’t want neutron to worry about dealing with the metadata, but ODL would want to deal with it 18:34:51 ChrisPriceAB: lol 18:34:53 I’m that way 18:35:08 #info regXboi says you first need to pass it through neutron so that the neutron on openstack side won’t muck with it 18:35:19 * ChrisPriceAB hehe 18:35:26 #info regXboi says there’s no way to indicate that it’s an opaque thing — an openstack neutron issue, not ODL 18:35:36 #undo 18:35:36 Removing item from minutes: 18:35:45 #info regXboi says he doesn’t have a good feeling about putting that in scope 18:35:58 #info mohnish asks how this project interworks with other projects 18:36:11 #info regXboi says that today is through a whiteboard pattern, which still exists 18:36:29 #info regXboi says the plan of record is to come up with a yang model so that the neutron service can talk through the MD-SAL to whomever wants to listen 18:36:47 #info regXboi says there would be a 1 or 2 cycle deprecation of the whiteboard pattern 18:36:59 #info colindixon says technically you could deprecate in Lithium and remove in Beryllium 18:37:19 #info regXboi says technically yes, but we’d need the yang model first, and given where we are in the cycle, that would be a stretch 18:37:48 tbachman: is a notes *beast* today ;) 18:37:58 #info vina_ermagan asks if here are any plans to support openstack neutron extensions (port bindings, etc.) 18:38:06 #info regXboi says router extension is already supported 18:38:12 #info regXboi says there’s a patch to support the port bindings 18:38:22 #info regXboi says if there are other extensions needed, feel free to provide patches 18:38:25 dfarrell07: lol! 18:38:34 * tbachman had a bit too much coffee 18:38:36 * tbachman jitters 18:39:12 * tykeal digs up a caffeinated cookie for tbachman 18:39:14 #info alagalah asks if neutron has the capability to query versions of the API supported 18:39:17 tykeal: lol 18:39:47 #info regXboi says in openstack, the version is in the URI string 18:39:57 #info regXboi says that by using v2.0, you’re using v2.0 of the API 18:40:20 * dfarrell07 has vote queued, FYI 18:40:35 #info abhijitkumbhare says in the list of committers, it seems like a low number of committers 18:40:47 * ChrisPriceAB was thinking exactly the same thing, this is a pretty busy interface... (more committers?) 18:40:50 #info abhijitkumbhare asks if it makes sense to add more committers to the list 18:41:19 #info regXboi says the initial list based on the assumption that he was promoting people based on their contributions to the code 18:42:12 #info ChrisPriceAB voices the same concern, given the popularity of the interface 18:42:34 tbachman: thanks for scribing all of this 18:42:47 colindixon: np! 18:43:19 #info regXboi says he’d rather err on the side of caution — if you want to be a committer, provide code to demonstrate responsibility (as those currently on the list) in order to enjoy the rights and responsibility as a committer 18:44:00 #info ChrisPriceAB says the same thing was done on the openflowplugin 18:44:10 #info edwarnicke says the openflowplugin was different - it didn’t start from an existing code base 18:44:29 #info edwarnicke says if someone wants to be a committer, all they have to do is contribute 18:45:06 #info edwarnicke notes that there were a lot of people who expressed interest in being a committer to neutron who had no history with the project, and picking from that large group has the risk of becoming political 18:46:06 #info rovarga_ points out that for TCPMD5, the committer list was derived from the project it was spun out from; but agrees with regXboi’s thinking 18:46:20 #info dneary asks if the bar was expected to be lower for a new committer 18:46:39 #info regXboi says that will be up to the project lead that’s elected 18:46:57 #info dneary says the key point is that being a committer isn’t a pre-requisite to being a contributor 18:47:13 #info colindixon says his personal opinion is that we have by and large been overly generous with committers 18:47:17 colindixon: +1 18:47:19 * dfarrell07 hopes it's obvious to everyone that you can contribute to anything, if your code is good, without being a committer 18:47:22 are we talking about committers or contributors 18:47:29 snoble: committers 18:47:31 i.e. maintainers or coders 18:47:42 tbachman, "isn't seen to be a prerequisite" 18:47:53 ok, got it 18:47:55 * tbachman goes back to see what he’s mistyped 18:48:03 * ChrisPriceAB don't disagree colindixon, my view is that I am keen to see this area develop as fast as possible during lithium... 18:48:20 ah 18:48:24 adds the “seen to be" 18:48:28 tbachman, Nuance - "dneary says the key point is that being a committer isn’t a pre-requisite to being a contributor" vs "isn't seen to be a prerequisite" 18:48:42 #info correction on dneary’s earlier statement: "dneary says the key point is that being a committer isn’t a pre-requisite to being a contributor" vs "isn't seen to be a prerequisite" 18:48:44 my partner from opensourcerouting is listening in 18:48:44 But not worth correcting the minutes - leave it be 18:48:45 dneary: sorry 18:48:52 Oh - too late :-) 18:48:52 so we were trying to clear things up 18:48:55 Thank you! 18:48:58 np! 18:49:20 throw it out here again : https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Neutron_Northbound 18:50:02 #info regXboi says the list of potential committers was taken from those who have contributed to the two directories provided in the project proposal 18:50:15 * dfarrell07 wonders if this a record for creation review length 18:50:35 dfarrell07: lol 18:50:54 #info Uri asks if the outcome of this is the ODL ML2 plugin and code on the ODL side, or is the ODL ML2 plugin considered here 18:51:02 #info regXboi says the ML2 code is part of openstack 18:51:38 * tbachman isn’t sure of the question 18:52:07 #info regXboi says one of the goals of the APIs is to maintain the transparency of the APIs 18:52:43 #info regXboi says that when we do a YANG model, RESTCONF is made availlable; this allows others to write a proprietary driver if they want, but it’s not considered an interface 18:53:03 #info gzhao asks if this project is going to join the Lithium SR, and if so, is it an offset 2 project 18:53:28 #info regXboi says the reason for the creation review is to meet the M3 deadline requirement for spin-out from an existing project 18:53:49 #info regXboi doesn’t believe it will be an offset 2 project 18:54:03 #info colindixon says the M3 deadline is not until next week for offset 0 projects 18:54:38 #startvote Shall the TSC approve the Neutron Northbound project to Incubation? -1, 0, +1 18:54:38 Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve the Neutron Northbound project to Incubation? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:54:38 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:54:40 #vote +1 18:54:42 dfarrell07: thx 18:54:47 #vote +1 18:54:48 #vote +1 18:54:49 #vote +1 18:54:50 #vote +1 18:54:50 #vote +1 18:54:50 #vote +1 18:54:51 #vote +1 18:54:51 #vote +1 18:54:51 #vote +1 18:55:03 #endvote 18:55:06 Voted on "Shall the TSC approve the Neutron Northbound project to Incubation?" Results are 18:55:06 +1 (10): dfarrell07, LuisGomez, ChrisPriceAB, uchau, mohnish, edwarnicke, colindixon, Youcef, rovarga_, RajeevK_ 18:55:10 Congrats 18:55:12 vote +1 18:55:14 #agreed The Neutron Northbound project is approved to Incubation 18:55:14 * tykeal adds a work card 18:55:29 #vote +1 (better late than never) 18:55:35 #info Thomas Kee here for PacketCable and anything else 18:55:36 congrats NNB /me coins nickname 18:55:39 Congrats Neutron project 18:55:53 Is this an 'Ask' ask ? 18:55:54 #topic ask.opendaylight.org 18:56:10 #info dfarrell07 points out that ask.opendaylight.org is a good place for folks to get q’s answered 18:56:19 #link https://ask.opendaylight.org/questions/ the fourm 18:56:21 #info dfarrell07 says we need more folks providing answers 18:56:34 there's an RSS feed 18:56:43 #info dfarrell07 says having a broader audience answer questions would really help that portion of the community 18:56:59 #info dfarrell07 says it also depends on upvotes and accepting answers 18:57:07 xsited_: welcome 18:57:10 #info dfarrell07 says this helps make it a good resource for others 18:57:21 * tbachman thanks dfarrell07 18:57:33 #topic PCMM joining lithium 18:57:49 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-February/002499.html Email requesting to join Li 18:58:26 #undo 18:58:26 Removing item from minutes: 18:58:28 #undo 18:58:28 Removing item from minutes: 18:58:40 #topic PCMM joining lithium 18:58:45 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-February/002499.html Email requesting to join Li 18:58:50 dfarrell07: sorry, I missread 18:58:53 lol 18:59:09 colindixon: np :) 18:59:11 #info dfarrell07 gets the credit for those previous two minutes ;) 18:59:17 lol 18:59:18 dfarrell07: can we get a vote 18:59:32 colindixon: thanks for letting us plug ask.odl! I hope that helps :D 18:59:42 #info Karthik Sundaresan says they’re ramping up resoruces — replacement for Thomas Kee and other dev resources 18:59:51 dfarrell07: thanks for plugging! 19:00:19 #info Karthik says they hope to maintain the plugin and add features, but main goal is to make sure nothing is broken and that it at least keeps the same functionality 19:00:59 colindixon: I have the vote queued up, just say the word :) 19:01:09 #info regXboi asks if there’s a reason not to allow PCMM to Li 19:01:12 #info colindixon says no 19:01:17 #startvote Shall the TSC approve the PacketCable PCMM Plugin project to join the Lithium release? -1, 0, +1 19:01:17 Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve the PacketCable PCMM Plugin project to join the Lithium release? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 19:01:17 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:01:21 #vote +1 19:01:21 #vote +1 19:01:23 #vote +1 19:01:24 #vote +1 19:01:24 #vote +1 19:01:24 #vote +1 19:01:25 #vote +1 19:01:26 #vote +1 19:01:27 #vote +1 19:01:32 #vote +1 19:01:36 #endvote 19:01:36 Voted on "Shall the TSC approve the PacketCable PCMM Plugin project to join the Lithium release?" Results are 19:01:36 +1 (10): dfarrell07, regXboi, ChrisPriceAB, edwarnicke, uchau, mohnish, kwatsen, colindixon, Youcef, rovarga_ 19:01:41 #agreed The PacketCable PCMM Plugin project is approved to join the Lithium release 19:01:42 #vote +1 19:01:44 congratulations!!!, all Helium projects are now officially Lithium projects 19:02:02 ^^huzzah!! 19:02:11 gzhao: :) 19:02:14 #topic cookies 19:02:16 #link http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/caffeinated-cookies-buzz-strong-real-coffee-cookies.jpeg caffeinated cookies just for tbachman 19:02:19 Thanks @ all for your awesome work :) 19:02:19 regXboi: nice! 19:02:21 tykeal: :) 19:02:26 :D 19:02:29 tbachmean, tykeal: PERFECT! 19:02:30 #endmeeting