18:00:15 <colindixon> #startmeeting tsc
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18:00:22 <colindixon> #topic roll call and agenda bashing
18:00:27 <colindixon> #info colindixon
18:00:36 <colindixon> #info rajeev (on the phone)
18:00:47 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke
18:00:53 <tbachman> #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-02-12-18.00.html link to last week’s TSC meeting minutes
18:01:50 <regXboi> #info regXboi (irc so far)
18:02:00 * regXboi trying webex again
18:02:09 <cdub> colindixon: dfarrell07 is my proxy
18:02:16 <colindixon> cdub: noted
18:02:23 <snoble> I was certain it was webex going crazy :)
18:02:37 <dfarrell07> #info dfarrell07 (for cdub and Red Hat)
18:02:42 <snoble> thomas has the ball
18:02:44 <tbachman> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main#Agenda This week’s agenda
18:03:03 <tbachman> snoble: thx for point that out
18:03:10 <kwatsen> #info kwatsen
18:03:20 <snoble> np, webex can be a pita at times
18:03:36 <jmedved> #info jmedved
18:03:37 <regXboi> webex isn't happening for me - I'll be in on the phone when I get done with my current call
18:03:57 <Youcef> #info Youcef Laribi
18:04:07 <mohnish> #info mohnish anumala
18:04:55 * dfarrell07 is not a WebEx pro
18:05:18 <snoble> and webex!
18:05:18 <dfarrell07> lol, bumped
18:05:19 <rovarga> well ... that went well :-D
18:05:23 <alagalah> LOL
18:05:24 <dlenrow> #info dlenrow
18:05:29 <alagalah> Oh crud
18:05:46 * alagalah Don't applaud, just throw money, I'll be here all week (sigh)
18:05:54 <snoble> ok now ttkacik needs to hand over the ball
18:05:58 <tbachman> round 3
18:06:03 <dfarrell07> alagalah: np dude, happens :)
18:06:10 <regXboi> finally
18:06:17 <regXboi> #info regXboi in on phone only
18:06:37 <regXboi> that was painful - whatever that was
18:06:41 <tbachman> lol
18:06:49 <tbachman> regXboi: we’re playing king of the WebEx mountain
18:06:57 <colindixon> #info Carol Sanders (proxy for Luis Gomez)
18:07:01 <tbachman> unfortunately, we’re not king
18:07:32 <dfarrell07> #info We couldn't get WebEx to work well, host code issue, no recording :(
18:07:36 <colindixon> #info unforunately, there will be no recording for the WebEx this week because of host code issues
18:07:49 <snoble> can someone record using convential means?
18:07:53 <tbachman> colindixon: you’ll need to chair folks to let them undo ;)
18:07:59 <dfarrell07> ^^nice to have it from TSC chair, imho :)
18:08:05 <tbachman> dfarrell07: :)
18:08:10 <colindixon> #chair dfarrell07 tbachman alagalah regXboi
18:08:10 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: alagalah colindixon dfarrell07 regXboi tbachman
18:08:15 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke
18:08:20 * regXboi runs away
18:08:39 <colindixon> #action colindixon to continue to follow AD-SAL deprecation between VTN, OVSDB, and controller (are ther others?)
18:08:43 <tbachman> #topic updates
18:08:48 <tbachman> #undo
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18:08:51 <colindixon> #action colindixon and TSC to elaborate on proper procedure for removal of committers from a project
18:08:53 * regXboi edwarnicke can be #info-d twice - but that's because he is here twice
18:09:09 <tbachman> #info colindixon says progress has been made for the new Helium SRs
18:09:16 * edwarnicke or perhaps he's twice as annoying as any other participant ;)
18:09:19 * regXboi hears crickets
18:09:24 <colindixon> #action colindixon, zxiiro and others to coordinate figuring out how to set up opt-in/opt-out automatic version bump patches and tags
18:09:29 <colindixon> #action colindixon to start a discussion around possible use cases as focus areas for lithium on the mailing list
18:09:39 <colindixon> #action gzhao to ask SNBI if and when the expect to be caught up, M3?
18:09:45 <colindixon> #action phrobb to hunt down projects to see if they would continue to support Helium (at least) until Lithium is released
18:10:23 <colindixon> #action gzhao to follow up with projects that haven’t yet reported milestone statuses, colindixon and/or phrobb can help
18:11:05 <tbachman> #info colindixon asks if the PCMM has joined the Lithium release
18:11:30 <colindixon> #action phrobb to reach out to Rob Sherwood about closing down net-virt-platform
18:11:36 <colindixon> #action phrobb to reach out to plugin2oc, SDNi, and defense4all about JJB migration
18:12:03 * tbachman realizes that he needs to provide more context to his #actions in IRC
18:12:19 <tbachman> #topic Updates
18:12:47 <tbachman> #info colindixon says that there’s a LF collab event, which is where phrobb- and LuisGomez are (representing ODL)
18:12:51 <dfarrell07> #info LFCollab Summit is going on now, Phil and Luis are there
18:12:57 <dfarrell07> #undo
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18:13:01 <tbachman> #info colindixon says CFP for ODL summit closed on Friday
18:13:19 <tbachman> #info colindixon says hackfest is coming up April 15-16
18:13:43 <tbachman> #info alagalah says there was a hackfest/summit in India — colindixon says this was in last week’s meeting minutes as well
18:14:02 <tbachman> #info colindixon says it’s worth noting that voting is now open for the openstack talks
18:14:11 <dfarrell07> #link http://www.opendaylight.org/events/2015-04-22/opendaylight-forum-india-2015 ODL India Forum mentioned above
18:14:21 <tbachman> dfarrell07: thx!
18:15:32 <tbachman> #info gzhao says SNBI finalized their release plan
18:15:42 <tbachman> #info VPN released their JJB
18:15:55 <tbachman> #info CAPWAP and one other said they would provide their release plans today
18:16:06 <tbachman> #info gzhao says defense4all and Maple haven’t provided a response yet
18:16:21 <tbachman> #info update — CAPWAP and PCMM said they would provide their release plans today
18:16:34 <tbachman> #info colindixon says Maple is still working out issues with Intellectual Property
18:16:39 <rovarga> colindixon: I would like to raise a question to offset-1 projects, specifically whether they are comfortable with meeting the documentation requirements for M3
18:16:58 <colindixon> #action colindixon and gzhao to reach out to Maple and Defense4All
18:17:09 <colindixon> rovarga: good point
18:17:26 <tbachman> #info colindixon asks for the SR3 and SR4 dates
18:17:39 <tbachman> #info gzhao says they’ll present to TSC on March 26th, with release on March 30th for SR3
18:17:56 <tbachman> #info colindixon points out these are tentative dates — those with objections should speak up
18:18:15 <tbachman> gzhao: what were those dates again?
18:18:21 <colindixon> 7/16 and 7/20
18:18:37 <tbachman> #info gzhao says the dates for SR4 are 7/16 to present to the TSC, and release them on 7/20
18:18:39 <tbachman> colindixon: thx
18:19:10 <tbachman> #info colindixon asks TSC members if they’d like to vote on these dates now
18:19:18 <tbachman> <chirp, chirp>
18:19:26 <snoble> do you have a list of what SR3/SR4 is
18:19:40 <tbachman> snoble: They’re updates to the Helium release
18:19:44 <tbachman> We’ve done SR1 and SR2
18:19:48 <tbachman> Service Release
18:19:48 <snoble> sorry, I mean what they entail
18:20:18 <colindixon> #action gzhao to e-mail release and tsc with those proposed dates and their interactions with the LIthium release plan so that we can get feedback and hopefully vote next week
18:20:20 <tbachman> snoble: you mean what’s involved in cutting a new release?
18:20:31 <tbachman> (just trying to understand the question)
18:20:36 <snoble> tbachman: no, what is included in SR3 and SR4
18:20:42 <snoble> not that we would know with SR4 yet
18:20:49 <colindixon> snoble: it would just be bug fixes
18:20:57 <rovarga> colindixon: can we touch on it? as the scope of that is surprisingly all-encompassing :)
18:21:11 <colindixon> rovarga: yes
18:21:31 <colindixon> it’s on the stack in my head
18:21:36 <tbachman> #info catohornet says that Integration met for pre-M3, and is getting projects to get their system and job builders converted so that they’re ready for the release
18:22:10 <tbachman> #info colindixon asks what our status is with JJB migration
18:22:35 <tbachman> #info gzhao says there are 39 projects that have moved to JJB
18:23:05 <tbachman> #info gzhao says defense4all, maple, SDNi, plugin2oc, and OpFlex
18:23:16 <colindixon> #undo
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18:23:25 <tbachman> lol
18:23:31 <colindixon> #info gzhao says defense4all, maple, SDNi, plugin2oc, and OpFlex have yet to move to JJB
18:24:18 <tbachman> #info alagalah says that OpFlex is in discussions with tykeal_away to migrate — a bit trickier b/c of the nature of the project
18:24:31 <tbachman> #info edwarnicke says that SDNI has some C-based pieces, which presents challenges in migrating to JJB
18:25:12 <dfarrell07> #topic Distributed LLDP with Auto Attach Capability creation review
18:25:17 <Guest50305> https://wiki.opendaylight.org/images/f/fb/ODL_TSC_slides.pptx
18:25:22 <dfarrell07> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Distributed_LLDP_with_Auto_Attach_Capability Project proposal wiki
18:25:33 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/project-proposals/2015-January/000252.html Proposed on 1/30/2015
18:25:42 <regXboi> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/images/f/fb/ODL_TSC_slides.pptx slides being presented for LLDP
18:27:11 <tbachman> #info Agenda: 4 slides; What is Auto attach, what does it solve, what changes to LLDP are proposed
18:27:36 <tbachman> #info group has submitted patches to openvswitch for the 2.4 release
18:28:49 <tbachman> #info Slide 2: what does Auto Attach (AA) solve?
18:30:00 <tbachman> colindixon: we may have someone who approaches your auctioneer speed-talking skills ;)
18:30:04 * tbachman tries to catch up
18:30:20 <colindixon> #info Avaya said they found a lot of people were using PBB (provider backbone bridges) and SPB (shortest path bridging) in data centers to proivde beter virtual networks
18:31:49 <colindixon> the standards don’t seem to be listed on the wiki page
18:32:13 <alagalah> colindixon: My I would like to understand BEB etc in the context of how it may play with other projects like OVSDB, GBP etc.
18:32:15 <rovarga> also, links to readable standards are always great :)
18:32:41 <alagalah> colindixon: ie does it some how preclude others touching the node...
18:32:42 <dfarrell07> Guest50305 colindixon
18:32:52 <tbachman> #action Guest50305 to add links to referenced standards as part of AA project proposal
18:32:56 <colindixon> #undo
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18:32:59 <tbachman> lol
18:33:06 <colindixon> #action Guest50305 (brian) to add links to referenced standards as part of AA project proposal
18:33:07 <tbachman> colindixon: Guest50305 isn’t enough context? ;)
18:33:15 <dfarrell07> lol
18:33:16 <Guest50305> sorry haha
18:33:37 <tbachman> Guest50305: you can do “/nic <yournamehere>” to change your nic :)
18:33:38 <dfarrell07> Guest50305: /nic will change your handle, FYI :)
18:33:48 <tbachman> Guest50305: what dfarrell07 said ^^^ ;)
18:33:48 <Guest50305> woah
18:33:51 <dfarrell07> lol
18:33:53 <Guest50305> didn't work
18:33:59 <alagalah> ..... /nick
18:34:06 <Guest50305> ?
18:34:08 <Guest50305> nope
18:34:10 <alagalah> but I think you need to register the nick dfarrell07
18:34:25 <dfarrell07> alagalah: shouldn't? I think?
18:34:27 <tbachman> #info Shortest Path Bridging is 802.1aq, now fully ratified into 802.1q, revision 14
18:34:31 <colindixon> well, my guess is the web client might now work
18:34:31 <Guest50305> I'm using the freenode webchat if that makes a difference
18:34:35 <snoble> CTCP VERSION reply from Guest50305: qwebirc v0.91
18:34:36 <colindixon> might not work
18:34:42 <dfarrell07> Guest50305: yeah, that's likely the issue
18:35:11 <Guest50305> IRC client recommendation?
18:35:31 <colindixon> Guest50305: mac or windows?
18:35:34 <Guest50305> windows
18:35:46 <colindixon> Guest50305: long, long ago everyone used mIRC
18:35:56 <colindixon> Guest50305: I don’t know if that’s still what everyone uses
18:35:59 <Guest50305> yeah I remember that from like 10 years ago
18:36:39 <tbachman> #info IS-IS is used as an L2 control plane
18:36:58 * snoble slaps Guest50305 with a fish
18:37:59 <Guest50305> waaah
18:40:49 <colindixon> #info they are proposing to a way to manage LLDP on a per-port basis so that some ports in OVS can be managed using distributed LLDP while others can remiain (in the current manner) sending LLDP messages up to the controller
18:41:29 <colindixon> #info explains the text on slide 4 with diagram on slide 5
18:42:32 <colindixon> #info auto-attach server on slide 5 is the same as the BEB on slide 2
18:43:38 <tbachman> #info mohnish asks if the auto-attach server would live in the LLDP project
18:44:03 <tbachman> #info AA says they’re open to where it should live — in LLDP, in a separate project?
18:45:26 <tbachman> #info colindixon says there are projects that have various pieces — LLDP in openflowplugin, vswitch management in OVSDB, etc.
18:45:51 <tbachman> #info edwarnicke says he feels that it might make sense for it to be its own project
18:46:27 <tbachman> #info colindixon recommends reaching out to OVSDB project
18:46:34 * tbachman leaves SB vs. integration out of it ;)
18:47:27 <tbachman> #info colindixon says that network virtualization component is probably different from what’s currently being done in OVSDB, but also worth engaging that project to understand what’s there
18:47:49 <tbachman> #info edwarnicke says there are models coming for the OVSDB southbound
18:48:09 <tbachman> #info AA project says they have a working demo of what’s presented already
18:48:24 <tbachman> #info colindixon asks if AA has reached out to phrobb to do IPR
18:48:50 <tbachman> #info AA says they haven’t, but other TSC members note that that’s actually a next step, and is perfectly fine
18:49:04 <Guest50305> phil who? email address maybe?
18:49:15 <colindixon> Guest50305: Phil Robb
18:49:18 <tbachman> Guest50305: phrobb@linuxfoundation.org
18:49:23 <Guest50305> thanks
18:49:27 <tbachman> Guest50305: np!
18:49:42 <tbachman> #info jmedved asks what they’re using for their POC
18:49:43 <colindixon> #info jmedved asks what the current code looks like
18:49:47 <colindixon> #undo
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18:49:49 <tbachman> #info AA says they’re using hydrogen
18:49:59 <tbachman> #info jmedved says they would need to refactor it to use the MD-SAL
18:50:07 * colindixon leaves tbachman to taking the notes
18:50:12 <tbachman> lol
18:50:16 <tbachman> colindixon: keep me honest ;)
18:50:20 <snoble> eek, hydrogen, I have a project that also works great with hydrogen, does not work at all with helium
18:50:47 <tbachman> #info regXboi raises flag that this is another project where “do no harm” has to be important, b/c it also touches the flow tables
18:51:24 <tbachman> #info regXboi asks if they want only one person as a committer
18:51:29 <tbachman> #undo
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18:51:41 <tbachman> #info regXboi asks if the AA project wants only one person as a committer on the project
18:51:54 <tbachman> #info colindixon says it’s good to have more than one committer on the project
18:52:17 <Guest50305> yeah, give it a little time :)
18:52:25 <rovarga> geo-distribution also helps :)
18:52:30 <tbachman> #info edwarnicke says TSC doesn’t typically mandate the number of committers, but advises more than one committer for sake of sanity
18:53:08 <rovarga> alagalah: +1E6
18:53:28 <tbachman> #info alagalah asks if we can explain the difference between what a committer, contributor, and resources committed are
18:53:37 <tbachman> #info colindixon says that anyone with an ODL user ID can contribute
18:53:46 <snoble> and the OSS concept of Maintainer == committer
18:53:54 <snoble> (not sure why ODL changed it)
18:54:18 <tbachman> #info colindixon says that if you are a committer on a project, you have permission to merge patches onto the mainline branch, as well as manage things like jenkins jobs
18:54:29 * rovarga thinks that at some point committer status should get some serious responsibility, too :)
18:54:33 <tbachman> #info colindixon says committers are also allowed to vote for certain elections
18:55:03 <tbachman> #info dlenrow says responsibilities include owing to the project to review and move patches
18:55:11 <rovarga> dlenrow: thanks :)
18:56:02 <edwarnicke> snoble: Varies a lot from community to community... lots of communities use 'committer', lots use 'maintainer' :)
18:56:12 <tbachman> #info AA says Dennis Flynn is committer for OVS
18:57:34 <tbachman> #info regXboi asks if AA intends to participate in Lithium
18:57:47 <tbachman> #info AA says no — they won’t be participate in Lithium
18:58:03 <tbachman> dlenrow: can you mute?
18:58:12 <tbachman> thx!
18:58:24 * edwarnicke wonders if now that we have a AAA project, and a AA project, we could maybe scare up a A project ;)
18:58:37 <tbachman> edwarnicke: careful how long you hold down that key!
18:58:39 * edwarnicke or perhaps a 9 volt project...
18:58:46 <tbachman> mailing lists — A, AA, AAA
18:58:53 <tbachman> edwarnicke: lol
18:59:06 <dlenrow> participation from more than one company is always nice to see
18:59:07 <tbachman> dfarrell07: do you have this?
18:59:18 <tbachman> (the startvote)
18:59:31 <dfarrell07> tbachman: yeah
18:59:36 <tbachman> thx!
19:00:10 <dfarrell07> tbachman: but there may be some "pending..." things colindixon wants added?
19:00:16 <tbachman> ah, good point
19:00:26 <dlenrow> I second, push to list
19:00:33 <tbachman> #info colindixon recommends handling the vote to the mailing list
19:00:58 <tbachman> #agreed Vote to move AA project into incubation will be done on the TSC mailing list
19:01:09 <dfarrell07> thanks @ all :)
19:01:13 <tbachman> #info cookies
19:01:16 <tbachman> #toipc cookies
19:01:23 <tbachman> #topic cookies
19:01:26 <tbachman> There we go
19:01:27 <tbachman> #endmeeting