17:00:13 #startmeeting tsc 17:00:13 Meeting started Thu Mar 19 17:00:13 2015 UTC. The chair is colindixon. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 17:00:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:13 The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 17:00:20 #topic roll call and agenda bashing 17:00:30 #info colindixon 17:00:42 #info regXboi 17:00:47 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main#Agenda agenda in it’s usual place 17:00:48 #info alagalah_ for Jan Medved 17:00:55 * regXboi waiting on webex 17:01:05 #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-03-12-17.00.html Minutes from last week’s meeting 17:01:22 want to chair some of us? 17:01:24 #info Chris Price 17:01:35 #info edwarnicke 17:01:37 #chair tbachman phrobb alagalah_ dfarrell07 17:01:37 Current chairs: alagalah_ colindixon dfarrell07 phrobb tbachman 17:01:52 #action colindixon to continue to follow AD-SAL deprecation between VTN, OVSDB, and controller (are ther others?) 17:02:05 #action colindixon keep the thread on best practices alive 17:02:10 * regXboi dances very quietly 17:02:21 * edwarnicke is not good at quiet 17:02:39 #info zxiiro sent an mail about setting up opt-in/opt-out automatic version bump patches and tags 17:02:45 * regXboi still fighting webex - it now appears to be crashing chrome 17:03:00 #info gzhao sent e-mail the release list with a precise time at which we will cut the SR3 test artifacts 17:03:45 #info dlenrow 17:03:50 #link https://bugs.opendaylight.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2826 <- bug for SingleFeatureTest warm cache issue 17:04:06 #action gzhao and phrobb to provide a summary of milestone status to release and tsc lists for M3 17:04:08 * regXboi evil webex - bad webex - impolitic webex 17:04:10 #undo 17:04:10 Removing item from minutes: 17:04:11 #info colindixon added use cases to the topic list for this week, and emailed list 17:04:22 #action gzhao and phrobb to provide a summary of milestone status to release and tsc lists for M3 and M4 (offset 0 only) 17:04:24 Any chance of getting an item on agenda at this late moment? 17:04:43 #action phrobb to escalate/follow up with AAA 17:04:44 #info regXboi sent list out things that would hugely help people and how they work with ODL in a dashboard, and sent an email to discuss 17:04:55 #info mohnish anumala 17:05:54 #action phrobb and zxiiro to follow up with the 3 projects not yet in JJB: plugin2oc, sdninterfaceapp, defense4all 17:06:02 #undo 17:06:02 Removing item from minutes: 17:06:10 #action phrobb and zxiiro to follow up with the 3 projects not yet in JJB: plugin2oc, defense4all 17:06:17 #undo 17:06:17 Removing item from minutes: 17:06:25 #action phrobb and zxiiro to follow up with the 2 projects not yet in JJB: plugin2oc, defense4all 17:06:45 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Vulnerability_Management <- draft security process 17:07:03 #info regXboi translated google md doc to wikipage 17:07:23 fingers point at each other 17:07:30 lol 17:07:38 #action rovarga (with help from Thanh) to work on tracking latency from merge to all CSIT 17:07:47 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-March/004867.html <- thread on ODL dashboard in discuss 17:07:51 regXboi: thx! 17:07:58 Hi all, I'm finally in 17:07:59 tbachman: yw 17:08:07 #info LuisGomez 17:08:11 Webex still giving an error code for me every week for this meeting 17:08:22 dneary: :( 17:08:34 tbachman, This is the Android client 17:08:43 colindixon: dlenrow’s topic? 17:08:46 I'd use the desktop version, if it worked on Fedora 20 :-) 17:09:44 #action dlenrow to send mail to relase, persistence-dev, and tsc describing the issue and possible solutions for discussion 17:10:30 I stopped counting at >7 17:10:39 LuisGomez: is here 17:10:48 #topic Updates 17:10:55 #link http://www.opendaylight.org/news/events << Events page on ODL Website 17:10:56 #info colindixon asks if the above is an issue for folks (deferring to email list for discussion potentially at next TSC) and silence is acquiescence. 17:11:07 alagalah_: thanks! 17:11:28 #info phrobb says hackfest has 37 people registered, but expects lots more to attend (urges folks to register) 17:11:41 #info phrobb says there’s an NFV World Congress on May 5th. CFP is out for that now 17:12:06 #info phrobb says they’ll be sending out a CFP for ONF in June 17:12:29 #undo 17:12:29 Removing item from minutes: 17:12:35 #info phrobb says they’ll be sending out a CFP for ONS in June 17:12:39 ONS, not ONF 17:12:42 colindixon: :) 17:12:46 thx 17:13:08 #info colindixon asks when speakers will be informed abuot talks at openstack summit 17:13:16 #info phrobb thinks it’s soon, but isn’t sure 17:13:41 #info regXboi makes a general request (not events) for projects to add list archive link to their main page (possibly in the project box)? 17:13:53 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PYxjiSYEks44uJByVO1P44rnI5xTJRulpKyrSsDQF9g/edit#gid=347238944 17:13:54 tbachman, colindixon: note the above info 17:13:59 #topic Helium SR3 17:14:12 #link : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PYxjiSYEks44uJByVO1P44rnI5xTJRulpKyrSsDQF9g/edit#gid=347238944 Spreadsheet for tracking bugs for SR3 17:14:25 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002750.html lisp flow mapping is asking for a respin 17:14:37 colindixon: wrong link 17:14:44 tbachman: can you undo? 17:14:50 #undo 17:14:50 Removing item from minutes: 17:14:54 regXboi: that one? 17:14:59 or mine? 17:15:06 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002742.html LISP flow mapping is asking for a respin 17:15:11 tbachman: that did it 17:15:13 k 17:15:19 #chair regXboi 17:15:19 Current chairs: alagalah_ colindixon dfarrell07 phrobb regXboi tbachman 17:15:37 * regXboi yells "NO!!!!" 17:15:57 #info colindixon asks whether the TSC should allow the respin 17:16:06 #info edwarnicke asks what are the counterbalancing things that go into the decision 17:16:32 #info lori says there’s a user that’s submitted this interoperability issue with external software 17:16:51 #info lori says this would significantly delay productization with ODL for this product 17:17:04 #info lori says the July time frame is too long for that 17:17:11 #info colindixon asks if there’s a mechanism to cherry pick that local patch 17:17:23 #info lori says there’s someone else in the company that’s brought this to ODL 17:17:35 #info edwarnicke asks what is the nature and severity of the bug 17:17:46 #link https://bugs.opendaylight.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2871 the bug in question 17:17:54 #info lori says LISP is providing the mapping service, and for that to happen, you can register mappings to the northbound or the southbound 17:17:54 colindixon: thanks 17:17:56 #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/16798/ the patch 17:18:09 #info lori says the authentication on the southbound fails b/c they aren’t correctly serializing some of the data 17:18:35 #info lori says there’s a protocol extension that’s not an RFC yet but is widely used; when this extension is used, this bug occurs 17:18:42 #info colindixon asks for more input from TSC members 17:18:59 #info LuisGomez says from what he hears, this is not a critical bug 17:19:06 #info regXboi says +1 to LuisGomez 17:19:51 #info colindixon asks for more input, before putting this to a vote whether to bless the SR3 release 17:20:13 you are correct, if you slip for one, you will never release 17:20:42 #info colindixon asks if there’s someone on the call who can speak as to why this patch can’t be cherry-picked for their release 17:21:41 #info Saurabh says the only reason is that when you go to the end-customer, they expect it to be a standard release, not one with a patch 17:22:15 #info colindixon asks if the TSC feels they have enough information to vote on the SR3 artifacts now, or delay a week 17:22:18 * ChrisPriceAB ack 17:22:53 phrobb or dfarrell07 can you queue a vote on whether to bless the TSC artifacts? 17:22:57 colindixon: My silence is due to being conflicted. 17:23:03 alagalah_: got it 17:23:20 colindixon: yes I'm ready 17:23:30 phrobb: thanks 17:23:33 #info mohnish says this may be setting a precedent for future SR releases — if we find a bug, what will we do 17:24:10 #info ChrisPriceAB says that if we find a bug in a stable release, he usually asks if it blocks the release that stable is based on, and if not, they go for it 17:24:12 colindixon: I have a vote queued 17:24:25 ah, ic phrobb has it too 17:24:29 yeah 17:24:31 * dfarrell07 defers to phrobb 17:24:48 I want to vote at X:25 17:24:48 #info edwarnicke says one of our principles is that we like our stable releases to be more stable than past releases; asks if this is a new bug, or has it always been there 17:24:54 #info slight correction, if it blocks the functionality of the stable release we go ahead with it. 17:25:08 * tbachman shuddered, as he thought colindixon just said X.25 17:25:14 #info lori says this bug has been there 17:25:17 #startvote Shall the TSC approve the release of Helium SR3? -1, 0, +1 17:25:17 Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve the release of Helium SR3? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 17:25:17 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 17:25:39 #vote +1 17:25:40 #vote +1 17:25:41 #vote +1 17:25:42 #vote +1 17:25:45 #vote 0 17:25:47 #vote +1 17:25:58 #vote+1 17:26:03 #vote +1 17:26:11 #vote +1 17:26:18 * alagalah_ My 0 is an abstention for many reasons. 17:26:21 * ChrisPriceAB sorry to be a hard #€%& 17:26:25 #endvote 17:26:25 Voted on "Shall the TSC approve the release of Helium SR3?" Results are 17:26:25 0 (1): alagalah_ 17:26:25 +1 (7): dlenrow, regXboi, LuisGomez, edwarnicke, ChrisPriceAB, mohnish, colindixon 17:26:40 #agreed The TSC has approved the release of Helium SR3 17:26:45 * ChrisPriceAB Feeling like alagalah, but have been there so many times on product... 17:26:53 ChrisPriceAB: Ack. 17:27:00 #info edwarnicke says this is an existing bug, not introduced by Helium SR2 17:27:03 * tykeal will need the staging repo number 17:27:07 #info colindixon offers Saurabh help for cherry-picking patches needed 17:27:12 tykeal: I will give to you 17:27:19 gzhao: thanks 17:27:29 Luis: good point 17:27:30 ChrisPriceAB: Took the vote seriously, deferring to those with better experience, but I have to vote my opinion, and I don't have the experience or data to make a +/- vote 17:27:31 tykeal: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2015-March/001662.html 17:27:33 #info LuisGomez asks if there’s a single place what are blockers for a release, so that people can search there and look to see blockers 17:27:51 gzhao: thanks 17:27:58 tykeal: sure 17:28:04 #action LuisGomez to start drafting a list of qualifiers for an issue for being a blocker to an SR - edwarnicke to assist 17:28:14 regXboi: I think colindixon had that queued with edwarnicke too 17:28:15 colindixon: how is that? 17:28:28 ah 17:28:30 I see :) 17:28:31 lol 17:28:40 tbachman: :-) 17:28:45 * tbachman suffers from inabiltiy to read the *entire* line 17:28:54 #topic Lithium 17:28:55 tbachman: both eyes mate... both eyes 17:29:00 alagalah_: lol 17:29:11 * tbachman didn’t hear that project 17:29:23 Link to doc and gzhao your audio is bad for me 17:29:26 #info gzhao says PCMM changed from yellow to green; only Maple is not green 17:29:26 Maple? 17:29:27 #info last week 3 projects changed status, ALTO changed from red to green, packetcable changes from yellow to green (for M2 in both cases) 17:29:34 colindixon: thx 17:29:46 Anyone else experiencing poor audio from gzhao ? 17:29:49 #info NeutronNorthbound changed from yellow to green for M3 (offset 1) 17:29:50 * tbachman is as well 17:29:56 c'est moi then 17:30:02 alagalah_: m’oi aussie 17:30:04 alagalah_: I'm also unable to hear him - so it is not just you 17:30:12 lol 17:30:39 * alagalah_ <--- can get slapped in the face in bars in 20 languages. 17:30:44 #info gzhao says there are 6 projects in yellow, with more to come after today’s M3 17:30:45 nice ring tone, but can we get it muted? 17:30:59 #info gzhao says that currently we have 6 projects in yellow and he expects that to grow, he says many projects are 1-2 weeks behind, and 4 projects have yet to report 17:31:14 * tbachman is having audio issues 17:31:37 Can we get a link to gzhao's spreadsheet in the minutes ? 17:31:46 #info regXboi says there is a TON of documentation behind Me 17:31:53 #undo 17:31:53 Removing item from minutes: 17:31:58 lol 17:32:04 #info regXboi says there is a TON of documentation behind M3 17:32:05 * tbachman can’t type today :( 17:32:07 thx 17:32:17 tbachman: next up (I’m going to skip over the use case stuff) to move on to the next topics 17:32:39 #info rovarga says some of the concerns coming from yangtools and controller are due to lack of resources; hope to make this up in the run-up to M5 17:32:45 colindixon: thx! 17:33:53 #info ttkacik1 says the problem wasn’t too much paperwork, but that it wasn’t obvious (“hidden”) what/how much needed to be done 17:34:22 #info colindixon urges projects to be honest in their reporting and do their best to get through this — TSC is willing to work with projects that are reasonable and are working towards these goals 17:35:12 #info zxiiro asks about stable/helium and Lithium 17:35:25 #topic opt-out from auto version bumping 17:35:47 #info zxiiro says he sent the opt-out email earlier this week; no projects have responded, indicating opt-out; asks if we can version-bump now, or wait until M4 17:36:02 #info rovarga says he’s seen the email, but hasn’t had time to address this yet; asks for another 2-3 days 17:36:10 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2015-March/001652.html the mail asking people to opt-out if they want to 17:37:05 #info mohnish asks if projects should list “at-risk” features during M milestones 17:37:32 #info colindixon says that’s essentially what the green/yellow/red color-coding is for — tracking which projects have issues 17:37:49 tykeal: do you pull the trigger on putting ODL SR3 on main dl page? (/me would loved to get pinged when it's linked, so can update various things he owns) 17:37:50 #undo 17:37:50 Removing item from minutes: 17:37:55 tbachman: you're too good. I don't think I even finished speaking before I saw your post!!! 17:38:03 mohnish: lol! 17:38:05 dfarrell07: I have 0 control over the website 17:38:14 tykeal: kk, lol 17:38:18 * tbachman mispeaks for colindixon again :( 17:38:18 #info colindixon says that’s what he hopes phrobb and gzhao will do with their summary in the next few days 17:38:19 * tykeal likes it that way 17:38:26 tykeal: rofl 17:38:28 tbachman: you’re all good 17:38:58 #topic lithium auto-release and super-pom-based building 17:40:24 #action rovarga and zxiiro to work on this for another week and bring it to the TSC then if need be 17:40:27 zxiiro: whch mailing list was that? 17:40:33 tbachman: I’ll get it 17:40:34 release 17:40:36 thx 17:41:04 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2015-March/001626.html Thread for the super-pom-based building 17:41:17 tbachman: thanks 17:41:20 #info phrobb asks when auto-release will be in jeapordy without a decision 17:41:41 * ChrisPriceAB close the refrigerator door 17:41:56 * regXboi wonders if that was some sort of demolition counter 17:41:59 That wasn't just me, was it? 17:42:02 #info zxiiro says they believed they’ve committed to M4 for being able to successfully build Lithium autorelease 17:42:08 #info colindixon asks what offset autorelease is 17:42:22 #info the line in the sand is 4/16 to have lithium auto-release working 17:43:25 #info phrobb asks zxiiro when there’s a decision, how long it will take to get autorelease up and running 17:44:06 #info zxiiro says this is hard to tell — if we have to change the way we’re doing it, and he has to create a script to dynamically determine relative paths, that may take a bit 17:44:55 #info LuisGomez asks that we have this worked out by the next TSC call 17:45:10 #info colindixon says he’d like to see an agreed-upon decision brought to the TSC 17:45:27 #info edwarnicke says this problem was solved in Helium — scaling may be an issue, but it’s a solvable issue 17:45:36 #topic Security Process for ODL 17:46:10 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002688.html Email thread on security process 17:46:27 #info regXboi asks if we can start a vote on email 17:46:37 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002739.html please vote starting here 17:47:02 #action ALL TSC MEMBERS vote on the secruity proces thread 17:47:06 interesting handle Mhhh 17:47:20 #topic Archiving the OSCP project 17:47:33 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Archive_Proposals/OpenDaylight_SDN_Controller_Platform_%28OSCP%29 proposal to archive 17:47:47 yeah we can vote on this 17:47:58 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002682.html Email talking about archiving of OSCP 17:48:05 dfarrell07: phrobb ? 17:48:11 :) 17:48:12 #startvote Shall the TSC Archive the OSCP Project? -1, 0, +1 17:48:12 Begin voting on: Shall the TSC Archive the OSCP Project? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 17:48:12 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 17:48:14 thx 17:48:18 #vote +1 17:48:21 #vote +1 17:48:21 #vote +1 17:48:21 #vote +1 17:48:23 #vote +1 17:48:33 #vote +1 17:48:42 * regXboi starts to wave goodbye 17:48:57 uno mas? 17:49:06 alagalah_: 17:49:12 #vote +1 17:49:13 #vote +1 17:49:20 #endvote 17:49:20 Voted on "Shall the TSC Archive the OSCP Project?" Results are 17:49:20 +1 (8): dlenrow, regXboi, alagalah_, LuisGomez, edwarnicke, ChrisPriceAB, mohnish, colindixon 17:49:21 I woke up 17:49:23 lol 17:49:29 * tbachman hands dlenrow a coffee 17:49:45 * edwarnicke hands dlenrow a bulletproof coffee :) 17:49:47 yay! I can tear down unneeded infra :D 17:49:49 #topic Proposed Extended Lithium sR dates 17:49:50 #agreed The TSC has moved the OSCP project to the Archive lifecycle state. 17:49:53 ugh 17:49:54 sorry phrobb 17:49:56 #undo 17:49:56 Removing item from minutes: 17:49:59 #undo 17:49:59 Removing item from minutes: 17:50:00 https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002743.html 17:50:07 #agreed The TSC has moved the OSCP project to the Archive lifecycle state. 17:50:17 #topic Proposed Extended Lithium SR dates 17:50:34 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002743.html email describing proposed dates 17:52:10 #info LuisGomez says we polled the projects for supporting 1 or 2 releases; what was the result of that poll? 17:52:24 #info phrobb says most agreed to 1 release, less consensus on supporting 2 releases 17:53:09 I think these are reasonable tentative dates modulo Be/B schedules 17:53:26 I agree with regXboi 17:53:34 I am down to vote 17:53:53 * ChrisPriceAB mmm good question... nope 17:54:09 ChrisPriceAB: let's just cut to the chase :) 17:54:10 No objections from me 17:54:33 regXboi, damn straight. 17:54:42 * tbachman got distracted 17:55:07 #agreed SR3/SR4 will happen no sooner than 12/13 and 3/24, and are targets for SR3/SR4 for the Lithium Release 17:55:14 lol 17:55:16 #undo 17:55:16 Removing item from minutes: 17:55:22 * dfarrell07 tried, not fast enough 17:55:26 #agreed SR3/SR4 will happen no sooner than 12/17 and 3/24, and are targets for SR3/SR4 for the Lithium Release 17:55:26 #agreed Lithium SR3 and SR4 will happen no sooner than the dates in https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002743.html 17:55:40 #action gzhao will add the two dates above to the Li release info 17:55:43 One unrelated but larger question - ODL charter is to ship 2 releases in an year. So do we plan to have a second release (Beryllium) before end of the year? 17:55:47 it takes a village ;) 17:55:58 #topic weather page 17:56:00 edwarnicke: Can we get link please ? 17:56:04 abhijitkumbhare: ugh 17:56:05 (if it exists) 17:56:10 abhijitkumbhare: unclear 17:56:23 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Weather 17:56:29 I will pass the topic for now colindixon :) 17:56:29 #undo 17:56:29 Removing item from minutes: 17:56:36 * ChrisPriceAB Ooh please do, OPNFV would like it before November of that's ok with every-one... 17:56:42 * ChrisPriceAB oops wrong hat. 17:56:52 tbachman when you have time: #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-March/004858.html mail suggsting the idea 17:57:03 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Weather wiki page describing proposed weather page 17:57:09 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-March/004858.html mail suggsting the idea 17:57:17 * tbachman wonders how colindixon finds the time to run the meeting and find all these links! 17:57:31 all listed in the TSC agenda 17:57:34 :) 17:57:40 boy scout 17:57:42 “be prepared" 17:57:48 (always) 17:57:58 #info regXboi notes that it would be nice if that page was factored into the dashboard, but I'm at a loss on how to do it 17:58:06 regXboi: no shit 17:58:24 colindixon: I snuck an info in way back when 17:58:37 about mail archive links on project pages (maybe the project box) 17:59:11 Weather page is good 17:59:28 #info LuisGomez says we can start with the release list, referencing the weather page 17:59:42 colindixon: Is there an action here ? 18:00:16 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Weather 18:00:22 edwarnicke: already linked ;) 18:00:27 * edwarnicke is slow 18:00:27 #undo 18:00:27 Removing item from minutes: 18:00:34 * edwarnicke is undone 18:00:37 tykeal: zxiiro Any issues with dynamic content ? 18:00:45 (with whoever is hosting the wiki?) 18:00:57 alagalah_: we don't allow iframes if that's what you're asking 18:01:00 * alagalah_ has an idea about the weather page, but only if we can do dynamic content 18:01:15 alagalah_: if there is a mediawiki plugin to do what you want we'll likely install it if we can 18:01:20 tykeal: PERFECT 18:02:26 alagalah_: FYI I know that there is are bugzilla plugins for mediawiki, but they all rely on an API we can't currently offer 18:02:42 tykeal: Let me drop you an email. 18:02:45 k 18:03:07 #topic cookies 18:03:10 #endmeeting