========================== #opendaylight-meeting: tsc ========================== Meeting started by colindixon at 17:00:05 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-03-26-17.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call and agenda bashing (colindixon, 17:00:13) * colindixon (colindixon, 17:00:16) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main#Agenda Today’s agenda (tbachman, 17:00:34) * LINK: https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-03-19-17.00.html Last week’s meeting minutes (tbachman, 17:00:45) * dfarrell07 for cdub and Red Hat (dfarrell07, 17:02:11) * Chris Price (almost on audio) (ChrisPriceAB, 17:02:21) * LuisGomez (LuisGomez, 17:02:29) * ACTION: colindixon to continue to follow AD-SAL deprecation between VTN, OVSDB, and controller (are ther others?) (colindixon, 17:03:07) * ACTION: colindixon keep the thread on best practices alive (colindixon, 17:03:13) * edwarnicke (edwarnicke, 17:03:51) * ACTION: dlenrow to follow up on the mail about how to procede with persitence (colindixon, 17:03:55) * regXboi (partly here) (regXboi, 17:04:16) * jmedved (jmedved, 17:04:18) * mohnish (mohnish, 17:04:25) * ACTION: LuisGomez to start drafting a list of qualifiers for an issue for being a blocker to an SR - edwarnicke to assist (colindixon, 17:04:39) * ACTION: rovarga (and/or Thanh) to add an something to a backlog somewhere about measuring latency between merge and CSIT completely finishing (colindixon, 17:08:08) * LuisGomez says that this may be easier in Beryllium assuming we move Zuul (colindixon, 17:08:43) * updates (colindixon, 17:09:33) * ACTION: zxiiro to create revert patches for autorelease and abandon existing patches. Will resolve inside of autorelease scripts instead. (zxiiro, 17:09:59) * wojciech would like to add discussing the AAA project to the agenda (tbachman, 17:10:30) * colindixon will cover requests to the TSC from the board (colindixon, 17:10:57) * edwarnicke requests to cover the weather briefly (colindixon, 17:11:05) * Events (colindixon, 17:11:07) * phrobb says that the hackfest is coming up 4/15-4/16; 49 people are registered; those who want to start with action items to work on should start to formulate what that looks like and send an agenda (tbachman, 17:11:13) * phrobb says for the ODL summit in July: notifications to speakers are going out now (not all out yet — in process today and tomorrow) for accepted presentations and tutorials (tbachman, 17:11:56) * LINK: http://www.opendaylight.org/news/events ODL Events web page (tbachman, 17:12:24) * Lithium and Stable/Helium (tbachman, 17:12:52) * LINK: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002769.html summary from phrobb (colindixon, 17:13:22) * gzhao is still waiting for 5 offset 2 projects to report (tbachman, 17:13:42) * LINK: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KPpO9LH539Vlcoa4RvLa6PPCdLifi5JD-ihRhlybqeo/edit#gid=1196332566 the project stats spreadsheet (colindixon, 17:13:49) * reservation says they’ll report soon; core tutorials not as concerned about; 2 other projects still to report (tbachman, 17:14:14) * colindixon says the most concerning one is AAA, which is on the agenda (tbachman, 17:15:02) * gzhao says discovery is also in red (tbachman, 17:15:08) * zxiiro says there are 5 projects still to complete the SR3 merging/tagging (tbachman, 17:15:27) * Youcef Laribi (Youcef, 17:15:29) * zxiiro says l2switch can merge, which is holding up other projecgts (tbachman, 17:15:46) * colindixon asks if there’s anything else around projects moving to JJB, etc. (tbachman, 17:16:17) * zxiiro says Defense4All has moved to JJB; just plugin2oc is left (tbachman, 17:16:31) * tykeal points out that OpFlex is also not in JJB, but they’re working with them already (tbachman, 17:17:13) * ACTION: LuisGomez to start a thread about how to unblock integration testing until patches are merged (colindixon, 17:18:14) * System Integration and Test (tbachman, 17:18:27) * https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Integration_Group:Performance_Test:Results Performance Test results in lab by Integration group (tbachman, 17:19:03) * LuisGomez says they’ll be measuring performance from now on and will be reporting in this wiki, and will report bugs (tbachman, 17:19:23) * LuisGomez says he’ll keep track of the bugs and bring them up if they’re not being filed by developers (tbachman, 17:20:12) * mohnish says longevity is also important — asks if it’s also being tested (tbachman, 17:20:56) * LuisGomez says they’re working on setting up longevity testing, but nothing currently; Spirent may also help with this effort (tbachman, 17:21:20) * jmedved asks if LuisGomez is using the scripts he provided a while back (tbachman, 17:21:46) * LuisGomez says they’re using the scripts for some things (tbachman, 17:21:57) * jmedved says the codecs for REST have changed recently — should retest to see if there’s significant performance improvements (tbachman, 17:22:47) * Infrastructure (tbachman, 17:24:09) * the sandbox has been having issues because of how much stuff has been going through releng (colindixon, 17:24:35) * tykeal says odlforge has been put on the backburner until releng stuff gets worked out (tbachman, 17:25:18) * AAA status (tbachman, 17:25:25) * LINK: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002775.html the status from AAA (colindixon, 17:26:07) * Wojciech says that the token caches looks like it will make it (colindixon, 17:27:36) * Wojciech said they had a dependency on the persistence project, which also has resource changes, which puts this in jeopardy (tbachman, 17:27:37) * Wojciech says there are only three people currently on the project; there is a choice of an MD-SAL AAA keystore, or completeing the keystone project (notes MD-SAL AAA would be “experimental") (tbachman, 17:28:35) * Mahesh (from HP) asks for using MD-SAL for AAA — with in-memory data store, is that sufficient? (tbachman, 17:29:13) * colindixon says we’re going to enable the clustered data store by default, but without clustering (i.e. single-node), so it will be persistent by default for Lithium (tbachman, 17:29:39) * Mahesh asks if AAA can then use the MD-SAL and meet the Lithium goals (tbachman, 17:30:05) * Wojciech says he doesn’t feel comfortable committing to this deliverable by Lithium — though they can make progress there (tbachman, 17:30:30) * colindixon asks who is dependent on delivery of these features (e.g. SNMP for keymanager)? (tbachman, 17:31:01) * Wojciech says other than the general public interested in deploying AAA in clusters, he’s not aware of any (tbachman, 17:31:21) * Wojciech says SNMP is no longer dependent as they’ve gone with a very simple mechanism for storing their credentials (tbachman, 17:31:39) * colindixon asks why keystone federation was critical for Lithium? (tbachman, 17:32:35) * edwarnicke says we need to make sure we have something that works following the standard “out of the box” deployment model — keystone radically changes this model (tbachman, 17:33:12) * edwarnicke says that mestery says it’s super-important to talk sooner rather than later to openstack keystone folks in order to make sure there aren’t any issues there (tbachman, 17:33:40) * ACTION: regXboi, Wojciech. edwarnicke, and Mahesh to organize meeting to talk about AAA keystone federation (tbachman, 17:35:09) * Wojciech asks for guidance from TSC on “chicken-and-egg” problem (tbachman, 17:35:31) * ACTION: edwarnicke, rovarga, and ttkacik1 to look into bootstrapping AAA (tbachman, 17:35:46) * Mahesh said for AAA, there was a dependency on SQLite, which is not present on all the platforms; asks if we’re removing that dependency (tbachman, 17:36:51) * edwarnicke says that there’s a patch that mlemay has provided that *almost* works when using H3 (tbachman, 17:37:09) * there’s a patch that mlemay provided that will help us to move to Karaf to 3.0.3 (colindixon, 17:37:17) * edwarnicke says it would be huge if someone can pick that patch up and complete it (tbachman, 17:37:33) * Mahesh said HP will try to pick up this item (tbachman, 17:37:43) * Weather (by edwarnicke) (tbachman, 17:37:58) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Weather#Clustered_Data_Store_Switch_over Clustered Data Store Switchover on Weather page (tbachman, 17:38:26) * edwarnicke says there’s one change that’s positive that folks need to be aware of — controller restarts will come up with persisted data, by default (tbachman, 17:38:52) * rovarga says the BGP-PCEP project currently won’t work with the clustered data store (tbachman, 17:40:01) * ACTION: rovarga to add the fact that BGP-PCEP currently won’t work with clustered data store to weather page (tbachman, 17:40:33) * Board Requests for the TSC (tbachman, 17:41:13) * LINK: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002806.html the board requests of the TSC (colindixon, 17:41:27) * colindixon says there are 6 requests from the TSC in that email (tbachman, 17:41:47) * ChrisPriceAB asks who sets the requirements on projects (tbachman, 17:45:21) * colindixon says he hopes its a combination of the TSC and projects (tbachman, 17:45:35) * edwarnicke says that can get political. You need a consistent measure of performance and stability that can be tracked (tbachman, 17:45:59) * edwarnicke says it’s not clear that there are clear definitions for how you measure performance and stability (tbachman, 17:46:16) * ChrisPriceAB says that instead of setting a bar at the outset as far as a use case being achieved in some way, can we set up a set of metrics (tbachman, 17:46:49) * ChrisPriceAB asks if we’re being to approve requests that we don’t yet know what they are (tbachman, 17:47:47) * colindixon says we’ve been tasked to meet these requests, and explain how we will meet them. (tbachman, 17:48:09) * VOTE: Voted on "Shall the TSC have a two hour meeting next week (4/2) given the addition discussions needed?" Results are, +1: 6, -1: 3 (phrobb1, 17:55:23) * abhijitkumbhare asks about project maturity — expresses concern that very few projects will be mature in the Beryllium time frame (tbachman, 17:55:31) * ChrisPriceAB asked about the difference between items one and five (tbachman, 17:57:11) * colindixon says one is about lifecycles and five is about execution (tbachman, 17:57:24) * regXboi_committer says the whole set of requirements is “borderline poison” (tbachman, 17:58:42) * regXboi says if this comes from the community, that’s good; but coming from top-down, it’s an anathema to open-source (tbachman, 17:59:12) * regXboi says items #2 and #3 declare winners and losers, and do so in a sneaky, underhanded way (tbachman, 17:59:32) * Uri recommends consulting board members who were involved in the discussion, as there was a long discussion around these items (tbachman, 18:00:07) * Uri says there was only an intent to provide focus and direction and drive deliverables — can’t be open-ended, b/c no investment can be completely open-ended (tbachman, 18:00:36) * colindixon encourages folks to go to the mailing list to discuss these items (tbachman, 18:00:52) * phrobb1 says the next board meeting is next Wednesday, April 1st (tbachman, 18:01:11) * colindixon says we’re unlikely to have a response in time for the next board meeting (tbachman, 18:01:25) * colindixon says his ask of TSC members and committers is to not knee-jerk react to these, but come with the “best” interpretation that can help move the project forward (tbachman, 18:02:00) * cookies (tbachman, 18:02:57) * edwarnicke points out that the extra hour for TSC members who do development is extra painful (tbachman, 18:04:01) Meeting ended at 18:04:06 UTC. Action items, by person ----------------------- * colindixon * colindixon to continue to follow AD-SAL deprecation between VTN, OVSDB, and controller (are ther others?) * colindixon keep the thread on best practices alive * edwarnicke * LuisGomez to start drafting a list of qualifiers for an issue for being a blocker to an SR - edwarnicke to assist * regXboi, Wojciech. edwarnicke, and Mahesh to organize meeting to talk about AAA keystone federation * edwarnicke, rovarga, and ttkacik1 to look into bootstrapping AAA * LuisGomez * LuisGomez to start drafting a list of qualifiers for an issue for being a blocker to an SR - edwarnicke to assist * LuisGomez to start a thread about how to unblock integration testing until patches are merged * regXboi * regXboi, Wojciech. edwarnicke, and Mahesh to organize meeting to talk about AAA keystone federation * rovarga * rovarga (and/or Thanh) to add an something to a backlog somewhere about measuring latency between merge and CSIT completely finishing * edwarnicke, rovarga, and ttkacik1 to look into bootstrapping AAA * rovarga to add the fact that BGP-PCEP currently won’t work with clustered data store to weather page * zxiiro * zxiiro to create revert patches for autorelease and abandon existing patches. 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