========================== #opendaylight-meeting: tsc ========================== Meeting started by colindixon at 17:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-04-02-17.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call and agenda bashing (colindixon, 17:00:07) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main#Agenda the agenda in it’s usual place (colindixon, 17:00:42) * colindixon (colindixon, 17:01:01) * regXboi (regXboi, 17:01:09) * Chris Price (ChrisPriceAB, 17:01:20) * LINK: https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-03-26-17.00.html last week’s minutes (mostly for action items) (colindixon, 17:02:02) * dlenrow (dlenrow, 17:02:16) * jmedved (jmedved, 17:02:37) * mohnish anumala (mohnish, 17:02:39) * Eric Multanen on the phone for Uril (https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-April/002826.html) (colindixon, 17:02:57) * Chris Wright (cdub, 17:04:05) * edwarnicke (edwarnicke, 17:04:15) * ACTION: LuisGomez to start drafting a list of qualifiers for an issue for being a blocker to an SR - edwarnicke to assist (colindixon, 17:04:32) * ACTION: regXboi, Wojciech. edwarnicke, and Mahesh to organize meeting to talk about AAA keystone federation (colindixon, 17:05:07) * ttkacik1 says that he has talked to Wojciech about how to boostrap AAA from the MD-SAL (action item from last week) (colindixon, 17:06:04) * ACTION: LuisGomez to start a thread about how to unblock integration testing until patches are merged (colindixon, 17:06:20) * Events (colindixon, 17:07:24) * the hackfest is coming in 2 weeks, so projects please try to figure out what to dover (colindixon, 17:08:05) * LINK: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/dev/2015-March/000409.html <- GPG keysigning party for hackfest information (tykeal, 17:08:05) * the india forum is foign to happen the week of 4/21 (colindixon, 17:08:23) * LINK: http://www.opendaylight.org/news/events/ events on the ODL page (colindixon, 17:08:36) * OpenDaylight activities are planned at the OpenStack summit as well (ChrisPriceAB, 17:08:48) * mini-summit (and cfp) for NFV world (colindixon, 17:09:45) * mini-summit (and cfp) for the Open networking Summit (colindixon, 17:09:58) * there’s our summit and design forum (we will call for topics for the design forum after Li releases) (colindixon, 17:10:34) * regXboi asks if the hackfest would be virtual-friendly again? (regXboi, 17:10:53) * phrobb says we’ll do the same as we’ve done in the past, but no more unless we have other ideas (colindixon, 17:11:11) * answer is that what was is done in the past would be done again, but no more (regXboi, 17:11:12) * Eric Multanen in attendance for Uri Elzur (snackewm, 17:11:38) * there is an ONF app-fest planned in may. (ChrisPriceAB, 17:11:41) * LINK: https://www.opennetworking.org/?p=1695&option=com_wordpress&Itemid=471 the ONF Appfest (nee Plugfest) is May 18-22 (colindixon, 17:11:53) * abhijit adds that the event has extended to include applications and non-ONF members (ChrisPriceAB, 17:12:10) * LINK: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/onf-appfest-registration-16131345288 registration closes on 4/10 (colindixon, 17:12:11) * ODL hasn’t been there in the past, but in the last one HP used ODL to participate (colindixon, 17:13:13) * ColinDixon asks if anyone is interested in participating (ChrisPriceAB, 17:13:54) * ChrisPriceAB says Ericsson is hosting it and will be testing/presenting the ODL controller (colindixon, 17:14:01) * ACTION: ChrisPriceAB to mail discuss/tsc (and others) to see if others are going to participate (colindixon, 17:14:31) * mlemay will also be there (colindixon, 17:14:37) * ACTION: abhijitkumbhare to pick up the action on to e-mail the lists. (ChrisPriceAB, 17:15:20) * note it’s actualy the same dates as the OpenStack summit (colindixon, 17:15:26) * ACTION: catohornet will send mail to Integration team about helping with app-fest (dfarrell07, 17:16:42) * sytem integration & test (colindixon, 17:17:24) * catohornet reports for Luis (away for week) on Integration (dfarrell07, 17:17:36) * catohornet would like to encourage projects to get their system tests in as soon as possible (colindixon, 17:17:44) * Lithium update (colindixon, 17:18:51) * regXboi suggests having M* dates on Wednesdays (dfarrell07, 17:19:10) * LINK: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KPpO9LH539Vlcoa4RvLa6PPCdLifi5JD-ihRhlybqeo/edit#gid=1196332566 Lithium tracking spreadsheet (colindixon, 17:20:07) * phrobb says that there are 3 projects which are at risk of having to drop out of Lithium (colindixon, 17:21:31) * Maple with Yale-related IPR issues is at risk fo getting no conent in (colindixon, 17:21:47) * Plugin2OC has been effectively non-responsive for weeks now (colindixon, 17:22:01) * LINK: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/plugin2oc-dev/2015-March/000069.html (zxiiro, 17:22:17) * the SXP projec has also be non-responsive, but jmedved is working inside Cisco to try to revive them (colindixon, 17:22:27) * phrobb et al have been very accommodating with non-responsive projects (dfarrell07, 17:23:25) * phrobb says from his perspective that we have been as bend-over-backward willing to work with projects and they haven’t particpated at all (colindixon, 17:23:29) * Plugin2OC non-merges/responses are blocking zxiiro's tagging efforts (dfarrell07, 17:24:51) * edwarnicke suggests giving a (final, I think) warning to non-responsive projects about being dropped from Li (dfarrell07, 17:25:47) * ACTION: phrobb to send mail to Plugin2OC saying that barring an objection from them, they are likely going to be dropped from Lithium at the next TSC meeting (colindixon, 17:27:22) * ACTION: colindixon to send mail to the TSC list to start a conversation about how to deal with projects that have no remaining active committers (colindixon, 17:28:35) * there are a few projects where the original committers are stepping down without new ones being promoted in their place (regXboi, 17:28:39) * so how do we want to deal with projects where all committers are gone (regXboi, 17:28:56) * New contributors have joined these non-responsive projects, but aren't committers, need a way to deal with this (dfarrell07, 17:29:02) * jmedved has people to replace the committers on SXP, but we need to figure out the committer issue there (colindixon, 17:29:42) * the problem is that the other three committers in SXP are unresponsive (regXboi, 17:29:58) * colindixon and edwarnicke point out that obvious solutions to problems described above (terminate, force-add new committers, contact old committers) are painful or not working, looking for better ones (dfarrell07, 17:31:35) * colindixon suggests moving this to the mailing list (dfarrell07, 17:33:19) * zxiiro says he submitted a variety of patches around auto-release, and a working prototype of the auto-release builder based on that (colindixon, 17:34:16) * ACTION: zxiiro to e-mail release to get people to merge patches with a list of patches (colindixon, 17:34:37) * infrastructure (colindixon, 17:34:55) * tykeal says sandbox has been moved to it’s own resources as of Tuesday to avoid contention with the releng/builder (colindixon, 17:35:18) * tykeal says the releng/silo has been “gumming up” where it loses slaves and won’t bring new ones, the only current solution is to reset jenkings (colindixon, 17:35:48) * they are detecting it and fixing when they can, but if you see it bring it to their attention (colindixon, 17:36:02) * yesterday, people noted that people noted that gerrit pushes/patches were taking a long time, and they noted that there were queued jobs when it happened (colindixon, 17:36:46) * possible solutions include moving to a machine with more RAM (colindixon, 17:36:58) * ACTION: tykeal to add some of these issues to the Weather page: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Weather (colindixon, 17:37:57) * tykeal notes that we will likely get a dashboard and less issues that we have now as we move to nodepool and zuul (colindixon, 17:39:00) * People should follow up with tykeal about key signing (dfarrell07, 17:40:19) * Committer promotion of Martin Sunal for GBP (dfarrell07, 17:40:24) * LINK: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/groupbasedpolicy-dev/2015-April/001039.html Nomination email thread (dfarrell07, 17:40:35) * LINK: http://spectrometer.opendaylight.org/?metric=loc&release=all&user_id=msunal Spectrometer report for Martin Sunal (dfarrell07, 17:40:42) * 4 (of 6) committters gave a +1 with no -1s (colindixon, 17:41:05) * GBP issues with Spec reports, but has been contributing tons says alagalah (dfarrell07, 17:41:31) * LINK: https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/q/project:groupbasedpolicy+owner:%22Martin+Sunal+%253Cmsunal%2540cisco.com%253E%22 patches on GBP (colindixon, 17:42:03) * GBP only has two active committers, needs more (dfarrell07, 17:42:09) * a major patch will come in the next week and we can review this again then (colindixon, 17:43:41) * Beryllium Planning (dfarrell07, 17:44:35) * colindixon suggests everyone chime in on mailing list thread (dfarrell07, 17:44:58) * LINK: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-April/002829.html Relevant mailing list thread (dfarrell07, 17:45:08) * edwarnicke points out that everyone is very heads-down at the moment, will be hard to get input between now and Li (dfarrell07, 17:45:37) * ChrisPriceAB says he feels it’s worth having the Beryllium discussion now (tbachman, 17:49:19) * colindixon and cdub point out that people likely can find time to contribute to Be release discussion, even while heads-down (dfarrell07, 17:49:56) * rovarga says that he wants to avoid what happened with Lithium where everyone vanished after Helium and did nothing and we rushed the Lithium plan out the door (colindixon, 17:50:31) * rovarga points out that some projects are going to M5, which is only bug fixing (tbachman, 17:51:20) * cdub agrees with rovarga — we have a history of doing the release and taking a long break/vacation (tbachman, 17:51:38) * colindixon says we need to have the discussion on don’t change vs. meaningful change (tbachman, 17:52:06) * ACTION: colindixon to add “consolidate requirements” to lesseons learned from Helium (colindixon, 17:52:55) * edwarnicke says one of the major complaints he heard was what they had to do was scattered all over the place — a simple attempt to consolidate everything in to one place would help (tbachman, 17:52:58) * colindixon elaborates on edwarnicke’s comment — testing requirements, doc requirements, and baseline release requirements were in different places (tbachman, 17:53:48) * Board requests to the TSC (colindixon, 17:54:46) * regXboi says he hopes to take time today to answer that (tbachman, 17:55:03) * LINK: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002806.html board requests (colindixon, 17:55:23) * LINK: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002818.html some of colindixon’s ideas for how to respond (colindixon, 17:55:35) * LINK: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-March/002740.html use case pipeline thread (started before) (colindixon, 17:55:49) * ACTION: everyone please contribute to both the Be release planning and Board requests (colindixon, 17:56:32) * on the previous topic, rovarga is fine with a 2 month preparation; but if that is to happen, we need to know now in order to plan for it (tbachman, 17:56:37) * on the previous topic (release planning), regXboi brings up the possibility of using isotope type releases (tbachman, 17:57:41) * colindixon would like to see the Beryllium release timeboxed (tbachman, 17:58:12) * colindixon asks folks to chime in on the mailing list on Beryllium release planning for next week’s TSC (tbachman, 17:58:39) * if you care about the Be relese plan try to chime in in the next week, as I’d like to be able to have sombody (phrobb?) create a draft release plan (colindixon, 17:58:47) * even if only to say that you can’t afford time right now (colindixon, 17:59:24) * performance isseus in the Lithium release (colindixon, 18:00:30) * There are perf existing bugs, known and documented and bugs raised that need attention. (dfarrell07, 18:00:46) * I actually wanted to imply that there are three topics wrestling for attention: getting Li out, getting Be planned, discussing the response to the Board. getting all done at the same time will prove ... challenging. (rovarga, 18:00:57) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Integration_Group:Performance_Test:Results wiki page for performance testing results (tbachman, 18:01:05) * Integration team has some perf in CI, more going in to CI very soon (many people working on it actively) (dfarrell07, 18:01:24) * regXboi sasy we need to figure out the Beryllium/Lithium isotope discussion (tbachman, 18:02:45) * abhijitkumbhare says as per our charter we need to have 2 releases in the year - so a mini release lined up with OPNFV makes sense - otherwise we need to get an exception for the 2 release requirement (tbachman, 18:02:59) * regXboi says OPNFV has a deadline in October — an isotope releases targeted at that use case may make sense, with Beryllium being a release that addresses larger issues (e.g. architecture) (tbachman, 18:03:37) * colindixon urges again for folks to take this to the mailing list (tbachman, 18:04:14) * cookies (regXboi, 18:05:09) Meeting ended at 18:05:21 UTC. Action items, by person ----------------------- * abhijitkumbhare * abhijitkumbhare to pick up the action on to e-mail the lists. * ChrisPriceAB * ChrisPriceAB to mail discuss/tsc (and others) to see if others are going to participate * colindixon * colindixon to send mail to the TSC list to start a conversation about how to deal with projects that have no remaining active committers * colindixon to add “consolidate requirements” to lesseons learned from Helium * edwarnicke * LuisGomez to start drafting a list of qualifiers for an issue for being a blocker to an SR - edwarnicke to assist * regXboi, Wojciech. edwarnicke, and Mahesh to organize meeting to talk about AAA keystone federation * phrobb * phrobb to send mail to Plugin2OC saying that barring an objection from them, they are likely going to be dropped from Lithium at the next TSC meeting * regXboi * regXboi, Wojciech. edwarnicke, and Mahesh to organize meeting to talk about AAA keystone federation * tykeal * tykeal to add some of these issues to the Weather page: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Weather * zxiiro * zxiiro to e-mail release to get people to merge patches with a list of patches * **UNASSIGNED** * LuisGomez to start a thread about how to unblock integration testing until patches are merged * catohornet will send mail to Integration team about helping with app-fest * everyone please contribute to both the Be release planning and Board requests People present (lines said) --------------------------- * colindixon (86) * tbachman (47) * dfarrell07 (45) * ChrisPriceAB (22) * regXboi (22) * odl_meetbot (14) * cdub (8) * dneary (7) * edwarnicke (7) * tykeal (4) * gzhao (3) * mohnish (3) * dlenrow (2) * rovarga (2) * mlemay (2) * zxiiro (2) * snackewm (1) * alagalah (1) * abhijitkumbhare (1) * jmedved (1) * phrobb1 (0) * phrobb (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4