17:00:18 #startmeeting tsc 17:00:18 Meeting started Thu Aug 27 17:00:18 2015 UTC. The chair is colindixon. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 17:00:18 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:18 The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 17:00:23 #topic roll call and agenda bashing 17:00:25 #info colindixon 17:00:25 #info dfarrell07 17:00:30 #info mohnish anumala 17:00:32 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/index.php?title=TSC:Main&oldid=35733#Agenda the agenda for today 17:00:38 #info dlenrow 17:00:43 #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-08-20-17.00.html last week’s meeting minutes 17:02:05 #action OF-CONFIG project will add ODL user IDs for the committers to the project proposal 17:02:14 #action colindixon to see if anyone wants to write survival guides for M2 and M3 17:02:25 phrobb: the webex phone numbers on the GCal (at least) haven't been updated, FYI 17:02:26 #info LuisGomez 17:02:38 #action phrobb to start a discussion on the idea of moving from WebEx to something else 17:02:51 #action dfarrell07 to work with odlcasey to get the gcal webex numbers fixed 17:02:57 #info edwarnicke 17:02:58 colindixon: ACK 17:03:03 #action tony to send out an e-mail explaining his alternative solution to version bumping and branch cutting 17:03:06 * tykeal mutters imprecations webex 17:03:46 #action tony and zxiiro to look at the sonar/jacoco reports and try to figure out how (and if) we can reasonby get feature-level code coverage information 17:03:59 odlcasey: I see you have edit permissions on the GCal. Is that working? 17:04:02 #info abhijitkumbhare 17:04:06 #action phrobb to keep working on JIRA and let us know when we can use it 17:04:14 Hi all 17:04:17 * edwarnicke warns tykeal to be cautious of his invocations lest he invoke the elder conferences... 17:04:18 #action colindixon to try to find somebody to help with documenting the general procedure for the platform upgrade from Helium to Lithium (for SR2) https://bugs.opendaylight.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3160 17:04:24 odlcasey: at least the Integration and TSC meeting phone numbers need to be updated 17:04:57 So some of us can drop :) 17:05:19 #topic events 17:05:25 #chair phrobb dfarrell07 17:05:25 Current chairs: colindixon dfarrell07 phrobb 17:05:34 #link www.opendaylight.org/news/events/ events page 17:06:08 #link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1p23KWqRIMf1utxr3z5YXho_DrlY8wur-ogFhuIDS5c4/viewform the CFP for dusseldorf closes at EoB tomororw 17:06:09 * edwarnicke bows to phrobb's powers of intention ;) 17:06:27 #info Phil asks people to do CFP quick to avoid last minute flush 17:06:49 #link https://www.opendaylight.org/events/2015-10-12-000000-2015-10-16-000000/sdn-openflow-world-congress The OpenDaylight Mini-Summit will take place on Wednesday and Thursday, October 14 and 15, 2015. 17:07:53 #info uri asks who you should be representing, phrobb says hopefully OpenDaylight, but if you’re not a vendor or a telco, you need to be a sponsor to talk 17:08:41 #info ODL hackfest will be colocated with the OPFNV summit, 11/9-11/10 at the Hyatt Regency San Francisco Airport 17:11:12 #info dlenrow asks about slots at the duesseldorf layer123 thing, do the ODL slots count against company slots? phrobb says we have our own track with our own slots, but the rules about speaker eligibility stil apply. 17:11:50 #info openstack summit in Tokyo at the end of Ocotober, accept/reject for proposals should have gone out 17:12:15 #info dlenrow says he got one talking with “some people talking about some kind of policy intent sorta thing" 17:12:19 dlenrow: always eloquent 17:12:27 phrobb: rejected :-( 17:13:05 #info jmedved 17:13:09 #topic new release manager 17:13:28 Welcome An Ho 17:13:45 what is the IRC handle? 17:13:47 #info An Ho will be workign with gzhao and others on doing release management 17:13:59 +1, to IRC handles please 17:14:07 hi 17:14:13 #info kzhang (Katie Zhang) is also helping 17:14:17 this is katie from huawei 17:14:21 anipbu 17:14:22 kzhang: anipbu : welcom 17:14:28 Hi kzhang! 17:14:35 #info An Ho == anipbu 17:14:40 And hi anipbu 17:14:42 hi to everybody 17:14:51 glad to join opendaylight 17:14:52 Katie Zhang or Kathy Zhang? 17:15:01 katie zhang 17:15:03 Katie I’m pretty sure 17:15:07 edwarnicke: Katie 17:15:09 #topic beryllium 17:15:12 colindixon: Cool :) 17:16:28 #Info anipbu says things are mostly gpoing well, he’s reaching out to slow projects, we have 55 projects so far in Beryllium 17:16:44 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Weather#Current_Weather_Report the weather 17:17:30 Fun fact: Future TSC topics list Madhu talking about renaming OVSDB project 17:17:37 dlenrow: :p 17:18:04 #info there are changes coming to two of the most important models in OpenDaylight during Beryllium 17:18:28 #info during Beryllium the plan is to deprecate the inventory model and move to using the topology model instead 17:19:22 #info the topology model is strictly richer version of inventory, for details ask 17:19:57 #info there is also a newer version of our topology models which breaks things apart into a network (which is closer to inventory) and topology (which adds links) 17:20:29 #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/md_sal_interest_call/opendaylight-meeting-md_sal_interest_call.2015-08-25-16.23.html some more information is here 17:21:12 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Topology_Processing_Framework:Main the topology procesing framework has some nice thigns for working with topologies 17:22:43 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/MD-SAL_Weekly_Call the 9/9/2015 call here will be covering this topic if people want participate and/or find out more 17:23:05 #undo 17:23:05 Removing item from minutes: 17:23:13 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/MD-SAL_Weekly_Call the September 8th, 2015 call here will be covering this topic if people want participate and/or find out more 17:23:33 #topic stable/lithium 17:24:01 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2015-August/003523.html newly proposed dates for Lithium SRs 17:25:14 yes you are audible ;) 17:26:01 colindixon: I don't know of any issues, fine to vote imho 17:26:48 #info abhijitkumbhare asks to move SR2 out from 10/1 to 10/8 17:28:14 #startvote shall the TSC move the LIthium SR dates (at least tenatively) to the following SR2: 10/8, SR3: 11/12, SR4: 2/25? -1, 0, +1 17:28:14 Begin voting on: shall the TSC move the LIthium SR dates (at least tenatively) to the following SR2: 10/8, SR3: 11/12, SR4: 2/25? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 17:28:14 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 17:28:34 #vote +1 17:28:37 #vote +1 17:28:44 #vote +1 17:28:44 #vote +1 17:28:46 #vote +1 17:28:47 #vote +1 17:28:48 #vote +1 17:28:56 #endvote 17:28:56 Voted on "shall the TSC move the LIthium SR dates (at least tenatively) to the following SR2: 10/8, SR3: 11/12, SR4: 2/25?" Results are 17:28:56 +1 (7): dlenrow, jmedved, dfarrell07, edwarnicke, colindixon, mohnish_, abhijitkumbhare 17:29:06 #agree the LIthium SR dates (at least tenatively) to the following SR2: 10/8, SR3: 11/12, SR4: 2/25 17:30:49 #action colindixon to discuss on the mailing list if we need to move LIhtium-SR3 again 17:31:22 #topic system integration and test 17:32:09 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-August/003730.html integration split has new PTLs 17:32:25 #info jamoluhrsen will be doing system integration and test readouts 17:32:38 #info - integration/test: Jamo Luhrsen 17:32:41 #info - integration/distribution: Ed Warnicke 17:32:43 #info - integration/packaging: Daniel Farrell 17:33:31 #info Huge *thank you* to LuisGomez_ for running ODL Integration as the PTL for so long and doing such a good job! 17:33:39 #info +100 to that! 17:33:40 Thanks LuisGomez_ for all the work over these years 17:33:43 agreed 17:33:54 +101 for LuisGomez_ 17:34:18 Thanks Luis :-) 17:34:23 lol 17:34:27 that is the most important things 17:34:32 we still have Luis 17:34:34 Thanks Luis. 17:34:37 #topic infrastructure 17:34:39 gzhao: +1 17:34:59 #info tykeal says thanks for all the new project buildouts, the six ones from the last two weeks are done 17:35:05 #info tykeal is workign with integration splitout 17:35:30 #info new versions of slaves and and ubuntu shoudl be coming 17:35:38 #info ubunto thanks to some code from edwarnicke 17:35:43 #Undo 17:35:43 Removing item from minutes: 17:35:48 #info ubuntu thanks to some code from edwarnicke 17:36:01 #info almost getting our own private cloud at rackspace 17:37:08 #info as part of that, we will get better networking, we will get 10 Gbps backend and the control over what’s using the network, so we can do better controlled performance testing 17:37:32 awesome :-) 17:37:37 #info we will also eventually be able to use OpenDaylight to control our network there if we choose to (yay dogfood) 17:39:18 * edwarnicke trusts dfarrell07 17:39:22 will be great to see that 17:40:00 #topic committer promotion on FaaS 17:40:12 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-August/003735.html they asked to add an initial committer 17:41:14 #info in essence, they are asking for another initial committer, they have no code yet, so it seems like it might be a fine exception 17:42:15 #startvote shall the TSC make Alex Zhang as an initial committer on FaaS without setting precedent? -1, 0, +1 17:42:15 Begin voting on: shall the TSC make Alex Zhang as an initial committer on FaaS without setting precedent? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 17:42:15 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 17:42:25 #vote +1 17:42:26 #vote +1 17:42:28 #vote +1 17:42:28 #vote +1 17:42:31 #vote +1 17:42:31 #vote +1 17:42:33 #vote +1 17:42:36 #vote +1 17:42:38 #endvote 17:42:38 Voted on "shall the TSC make Alex Zhang as an initial committer on FaaS without setting precedent?" Results are 17:42:38 +1 (8): dlenrow, jmedved, dfarrell07, edwarnicke, uri_, colindixon, mohnish_, abhijitkumbhare 17:42:42 so it shall be 17:42:45 lol 17:42:51 #agree Alex Zhang is an initial committer on FaaS 17:43:04 #topic moving projects to mature 17:43:05 thank you all, this is part of our overlook didn't include him at the first place. 17:44:00 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-July/003511.html colindixon started a thead on possible clarifications to becoming mature 17:44:33 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Beryllium_Release_Plan#Features stable feature definition 17:46:05 * tykeal waves magic wand and makes Alex Zhang a committer on FaaS 17:47:07 * dfarrell07 loves tykeal's admin jokes 17:47:18 ;) 17:50:50 #info Ongoing conversation about results of being a stable feature. For example, edwarnicke highlighted extracting logic as maybe being more complex after being stable, colindixon clarifies that since it's new fn, would be okay 17:51:10 #info edwarnicke asks "what does 'feature was present in the previous release' mean in the context of refactoring for a 'more sane' set of features?... Answer from colindixon is that such refactoring of existing features should be recognized as being present in the previous release by the TSC 17:54:59 #info uri_ asks what the relationship is between mature projects and stable feature, colindixon says that stable features are the “mature” parts of mature projects, so that mature projects can still have experimental compoents 17:56:39 #info uri_ would like to explore creating a distribution of OpenDaylight that’s easy to use, deploy, etc. 17:57:05 After this discussion is done: about: “All committers must have a GPG key” - it might make sense to make it as “at least one committer must have a GPG key”. It will be hard to make all the committers to have a GPG key - due to the requirements of physically being present for GPG signing & some committers will never be able to make it to conferences/hackfests where there is a GPG signing. 17:57:12 #info edwarnicke says he’s going to try to get working on creating the stable distribution ASAP so we can start figuring out where this works and where it stops 17:57:20 Pipeline of usability!!!!! 17:58:23 abhijitkumbhare: part of that is modeled after the Linux kernel community requirements around certain things. It's feasible to meet that requirement, it just takes some work 18:00:02 #info mohnish_ asks how this will work if most (or maybe all) of our user facing applications are not mature/stable? 18:00:13 Make them "extra stable" :) 18:01:51 Stable release of unstable features? 18:01:53 the key idea is to move netVirt and SFC to this "stable" state 18:02:39 Implying most of.platform is unstable is bad marketing 18:03:19 #action colindixon to start a thread on starting mature/stable processes so we can collect information and discuss things 18:03:31 #action edwarnicke will create a stable distribution and we can start to push people toward taht 18:03:41 I think it might give enough incentive for projects to work towards stability ... 18:03:42 this notion is out there. we need to test together a known set and show it is useful an painless and feature rich and reliable hence S3P 18:04:06 * tykeal is working on it!! 18:04:11 and what mohnish is saying it true too, imho 18:04:16 dlenrow: it might make sense to use a different word than “stable” - if only offset 0 projects are allowed 18:04:20 So current lithium stable release is unstable? 18:04:48 #topic cookies 18:04:49 abhijitkumbhare: +1 18:04:53 #endmeeting