16:59:37 #startmeeting tsc 16:59:37 Meeting started Thu Oct 1 16:59:37 2015 UTC. The chair is colindixon. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 16:59:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:59:37 The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 16:59:43 #topic agenda bashing and roll call 16:59:53 #info TSC members please #info in 16:59:55 #info colindixon 17:00:13 #chair phrobb phrobb- tbachman dfarrell07 anipbu gzhao 17:00:13 Current chairs: anipbu colindixon dfarrell07 gzhao phrobb phrobb- tbachman 17:00:39 #info mohnish anumala 17:00:47 Joining late for the TSC meeting - need to get some calories 17:00:53 #info Daniel Farrell 17:01:05 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/index.php?title=TSC:Main&oldid=37106#Agenda the agenda in it's usual place 17:01:12 #info Greg Hall proxy for Luis G P 17:01:24 #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-09-24-17.00.html last week's minutes part 1 17:01:45 #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-09-24-17.44.html last weeks minutes part 2 17:02:15 #action colindixon to try to find somebody to help with documenting the general procedure for the platform upgrade from Helium to Lithium (for SR2) https://bugs.opendaylight.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3160 17:02:40 #info Chris Price 17:02:43 #info dlenrow 17:03:14 #info add committer-at-large discussion to the agenda 17:04:08 #info edwarnicke 17:04:39 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-September/003889.html colindixon started a thread on JIRA, he's waitin on interested parties to pick it up 17:05:13 #topic events 17:05:26 #link https://www.opendaylight.org/global-events the events page in it's usual place 17:06:04 #link https://www.opendaylight.org/events/2015-11-09-000000-2015-11-10-000000/opendaylight-hackfest register for the hackfest near SFO on 11/9/2015 17:06:04 #info dfarrell07 has an ODL talk at LinuxCon EU next week 17:06:15 #info other information and details are on the page above 17:06:41 #info The OPNFV dev summit will likely include Jira training for users and project planners, ODL members welcome 17:06:47 #topic beryllium 17:07:03 ChrisPriceAB: ACK, good idea 17:07:13 #Info anipbu M3 offset 1 is due today, we have some things coming in 17:07:37 #link https://bugs.opendaylight.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4371 Alto bug blocking beryllium build 17:07:46 #info alto is breaking the build, has been removed from the autorelease until it's fixed 17:08:25 #topic beryllium weather 17:09:02 #info some jobs were stalling during feature tests and it seems like TomP and zxiiro have fixed it 17:09:14 #info it appears as though it may have been related to the new yang parser 17:09:29 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Weather#2015-09-29_YANG_Parser_implementation_switch this appears to be related to this weather event 17:10:24 #info mohnish_ says he definitely ran into these issues, he's now able to build this morning, but seeing lots more warnings 17:10:51 #info ttkacik says the new warnings are because the new parser is a bit stricter 17:12:00 #info ttkacik says he thinks two projects actually had failed builds because of this, e.g., Armoury and NIC 17:14:23 colindixon: agreed re: not good to break, despite better spec conformance 17:15:12 #info colindixon says that the most important thing here is to just make sure make sure to respect developer time and expectations, so saying that you failed to write valid yang even though we accepted it in the past makes it your fault is probably not the right approach 17:16:50 #info colindixon notes that the performance issues reported about the weather event were noted only 2 hours before the patches were merged despite many people asking about possible issues many times 17:17:14 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2015-October/003838.html discussion on the mailing list 17:19:32 #info to get around this, rovarga says we need either (i) a staging pipeline to test a set of patches across projects together, and (ii) continuous release in some form 17:20:30 colindixon: big +1 to bringing up the CR planning 17:21:43 Hey Andy. All of the project's info boxes seem to have bad pointers to their repos... they all take the form "https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/ ... and that URL returns a 404 error. Did something change causing that or have they all been wrong forever? 17:22:07 sorry folks... wrong window 17:22:26 #info cdub agrees about continuous release, colindixon notes that there are efforts and we should talk about it boron 17:22:44 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Weather#Upstream_version_upgrades upstream version upgrades 17:23:22 #info there's a process of upgrading external dependencies to get security patches and bug fixes 17:24:00 #info a lot of attention is going into making sure this is a painless as possible, but it's possible unexpected things could happen 17:24:54 #info this was discussed on the TWS call on Monday and there was a recording, we've done 5 of 11 upgrades, the next one is Karaf which is happening on Monday next week 17:26:54 is there a downside? 17:27:07 #topic Stable Li 17:28:57 #info Li SR2 cutoff is this coming Sunday at midnight UTC 17:29:05 #info question, did we skip over "Timing of branch cutting" for Be? 17:35:04 Would like project lead input, maybe on mailing list. 17:37:05 #info colindixon notes that we will need to vote on the timing of branch cutting within two weeks and we will continue the discussion on the thread. 17:37:30 #topic System Integration and Testing 17:37:42 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-September/003879.html Thread about version bumping, please comment in the next week or so 17:38:10 #topic Infrastructure 17:38:15 thnaks dfarrell07 17:38:53 #info tykeal said Jira is running but need people feedback 17:39:00 #info testing of Ubuntu images ongoing.... Jira site got running last week and Andy hasn't heard anything from anyone yet 17:39:40 #info zxiiro is going to be on vacation 17:39:49 #info the info in Jira is over a week old and getting stale... *if* we choose to go with Jira we will be deleting everything in the current instance... this is just a "test" instance 17:40:22 #info Rackspace private cloud making progress.. no more details there yet 17:40:53 * colindixon is back 17:40:57 #topic committer-at-large elections 17:41:27 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-October/003905.html phrobb's email 17:41:42 #undo 17:41:42 Removing item from minutes: 17:42:47 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-October/003903.html phrobb's mail on the topic and colin's clarifications 17:42:52 colindixon: yes 17:43:15 #info colindixon says his memory from last week was that we decide the pros of extending the waiver outweighed the cons 17:44:08 #startvote shall the TSC formally ask the board to extend the waiver for another year for platinum appointed TSC members to remain on the TSC even if at-large members also represent their organziation? -1, 0, +1 17:44:08 Begin voting on: shall the TSC formally ask the board to extend the waiver for another year for platinum appointed TSC members to remain on the TSC even if at-large members also represent their organziation? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 17:44:08 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 17:44:11 #vote +1 17:44:12 #vote +1 17:44:17 #vote +1 17:44:19 #vote +1 17:44:20 #vote +1 17:44:33 #vote +1 17:44:41 #vote +1 (proxy for Jan) 17:44:41 alagalah: +1 (proxy for Jan) is not a valid option. Valid options are -1, 0, +1. 17:44:48 #vote +1 17:45:19 #vote +1 17:45:25 #endvote 17:45:25 Voted on "shall the TSC formally ask the board to extend the waiver for another year for platinum appointed TSC members to remain on the TSC even if at-large members also represent their organziation?" Results are 17:45:25 +1 (8): dlenrow, ChrisPriceAB, dfarrell07, edwarnicke, uri_, colindixon, mohnish_, alagalah 17:45:46 #agreed the TSC will ask the board to extend the waiver around platinum appointed TSC members 17:45:46 #vote +1 ( proxy for Luis ) 17:46:41 ghall: (for the sake of feedback/learning) the vote has ended, needed to be between #startvote and #endvote. Also, it wouldn't have accepted the part in parens, as alagalah demoed 17:47:04 #info note that ghall votes +1 for LuisGomez as well 17:47:14 ghall: if you care a lot about being on the record vote-wise, you can #info your desire to vote in 17:48:30 next time we vote -1 ;) 17:48:54 #topic mature projects/stable features 17:49:25 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-September/003783.html a lenghty thread on graduation reviews 17:49:41 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Graduation_Reviews/Template the draft template for graduation reviews 17:50:52 * ChrisPriceAB thinks it's time to push the button 17:52:23 who is chaired in? 17:52:23 #startvote the TSC would like to use this template for graudation reviews and invidual members can vote their conscience based on the information in the thread discussion it https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Graduation_Reviews/Template ? -1, 0, +1 17:52:23 Begin voting on: the TSC would like to use this template for graudation reviews and invidual members can vote their conscience based on the information in the thread discussion it https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Graduation_Reviews/Template ? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 17:52:23 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 17:52:35 colindixon, I saw a startvote 17:52:43 #vote +1 17:52:45 #vote +1 17:52:46 #vote +1 17:52:46 #vote +1 17:52:47 #vote +1 17:52:48 #vote +1 17:52:50 #vote +1 17:53:03 #vote +1 17:53:20 #endvote 17:53:20 Voted on "the TSC would like to use this template for graudation reviews and invidual members can vote their conscience based on the information in the thread discussion it https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Graduation_Reviews/Template ?" Results are 17:53:20 +1 (8): ghall, dfarrell07, ChrisPriceAB, uri_, edwarnicke, colindixon, mohnish_, alagalah 17:53:38 #agreed the TSC is now open to accepting requests for graudation reviews based on this template: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Graduation_Reviews/Template 17:54:10 Let the Boron puns begin! :) 17:54:12 bring it on projects!!! 17:54:15 #topic boron planning 17:54:32 * ChrisPriceAB think's Ed's being a ... 17:55:26 LOL 17:56:14 #info colindixon asks if there are focus ares people are interested in and/or would like to see in Boron 17:56:51 It seems like CR stuff has come up many times as a possible future solution to various problems, which sounds like a good Boron goal 17:56:55 #info colindixon has heard from people that they'd be interested in a bunch of things including 17:57:01 #info continous release 17:57:02 * ChrisPriceAB is thinking the cPerf dashboard could be used to provide daily stats of that type. 17:57:18 #info faster than 6-month reelase cadence 17:57:47 #info lighter-weight process 17:57:53 #info scale improvments 17:58:08 #info alagalah asks that we have a round table of Advisory Group members and a good group of PTLs to discuss Boron planning 17:58:19 +1 17:58:22 #info cross-release compatibility, e.g., boron openflow plugin could run in an otherwise-beryllium controller 17:59:11 #action colindixon to reach out to the advisory gorup for input on Boron 17:59:35 Could the advisory group have some time on this call? 18:00:12 #action alagalah to organize a panel/mailing list thead for the PTLs to also provide info on Boron 18:00:20 #info If CR or any other solution can provide stability for projects which depend on yang/netconf/restconf/mdsal/aaa as those projects get big changes ... then that's a priority. 18:00:34 #action colindixon to see if we can find some time for the advisory group on the TSC call in the future 18:00:44 #info colindixon notes that ramp up time for somethings like moving to CI/CB and migration strategies is needed hence the reason to getting the Boron discussions going on now 18:00:51 * ChrisPriceAB is always happy to create work for others... 18:01:22 #topic cookies 18:01:25 #endmeeting