16:01:42 <skitt> #startmeeting TSC
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16:01:53 <skitt> #chair CaseyLF abhijitkumbhare dfarrell07
16:01:53 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: CaseyLF abhijitkumbhare dfarrell07 skitt
16:02:09 <skitt> #topic Roll-call and agenda bashing
16:02:15 <skitt> #info *TSC members* please #info in
16:02:20 <zxiiro> #info Thanh Ha
16:02:22 <anipbu> #info anipbu
16:02:24 <skitt> #info *Project representatives* please #project in
16:02:26 <skitt> #info skitt
16:02:34 <anipbu> #info gzhao (proxy)
16:02:34 <lori> #info lori
16:02:38 <skitt> #project odlparent controller netvirt ovsdb
16:02:44 <lori> #project lispflowmapping
16:02:54 <anipbu> #project usc
16:03:07 <skitt> #link Agenda: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Meeting#Agenda
16:04:27 <rovarga_> #info rovarga
16:04:33 <vishnoianil> #info Anil Vishnoi
16:04:42 <abhijitkumbhare> #info abhijitkumbhare
16:04:44 <vishnoianil> #project openflowplugin
16:05:01 <rovarga_> #project yangtools mdsal controller coretutorials bgpcep infrautils
16:05:12 <skitt> #topic Neon DDF
16:05:49 <LuisGomez> #info LuisGomez
16:06:20 <skitt> #info staying over the weekend for ONS EU isn't going to work out budget-wise for a few member companies
16:07:15 <skitt> #info CaseyLF says the venue is already booked and paid for, for the DDF on Thursday/Friday
16:07:27 <skitt> #info CaseyLF is waiting for an update from the LF
16:07:41 <skitt> #info CaseyLF points out that the community was involved in the decision
16:08:31 <faseelak> #project genius coe infrautils
16:08:48 <shague> #info shague
16:09:48 <shague> #info #project netvirt genius
16:10:00 <skitt> #info dfarrell07 apologises profusely
16:12:30 <skitt> #startvote What do people prefer for the DDF? Thursday/Friday as agreed initially, Sunday/Monday before ONS, Monday/Friday around ONS, in parallel with ONS
16:12:30 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: What do people prefer for the DDF? Valid vote options are Thursday, Friday, as, agreed, initially, Sunday, Monday, before, ONS, Monday, Friday, around, ONS, in, parallel, with, ONS.
16:12:30 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
16:12:39 <skitt> #endvote
16:12:39 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "What do people prefer for the DDF?" Results are
16:13:33 <skitt> #startvote What do people prefer for the DDF? ThuFri, SunMon, MonFri, parallel, anything
16:13:33 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: What do people prefer for the DDF? Valid vote options are ThuFri, SunMon, MonFri, parallel, anything.
16:13:33 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
16:14:02 <skitt> really we need ordered voting here (order of preference)
16:14:12 <rovarga_> condorcet :)
16:14:15 <skitt> exactly
16:14:50 <abhijitkumbhare> #info Options
16:15:01 <abhijitkumbhare> #info 1: Thu-Fri
16:15:14 <abhijitkumbhare> #info 2: Sun-Mon
16:15:44 <skitt> #vote SunMon
16:15:56 <anipbu> #vote anything
16:15:57 <rovarga_> #vote anything
16:15:59 * dfarrell07 would vote SunMon
16:16:05 <abhijitkumbhare> #vote anything
16:16:06 <zxiiro> #vote anything
16:16:06 <lori> #vote anything
16:16:12 <rovarga_> :-D
16:16:12 <cdgasparini> #info bgpcep
16:17:16 <skitt> #endvote
16:17:16 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "What do people prefer for the DDF?" Results are
16:17:16 <odl_meetbot> SunMon (1): skitt
16:17:16 <odl_meetbot> anything (5): rovarga_, lori, abhijitkumbhare, zxiiro, anipbu
16:17:21 <shague> #vote SunMon
16:17:25 <shague> sorry late
16:17:30 <faseelak_> #vote SunMon
16:17:48 <pantelis_> #vote SunMon  (proxying for Brady)
16:18:08 <skitt> #info CaseyLF will see if the DDF can be moved to Sunday-Monday
16:18:14 <skitt> thanks CaseyLF
16:18:17 <abhijitkumbhare> #topic Issues to do Releases for Self Managed Projects
16:18:28 <shague> #info #project serviceutils
16:19:16 <skitt> #info transportpce wants to participate in the Fluorine release
16:19:23 <skitt> #info but the project is facing a number of difficulties
16:19:36 <skitt> #info last year, the project had lots of problems syncing with master snapshots
16:20:10 <skitt> #info transportpce depends on lots of other ODL (kernel) projects
16:20:21 <skitt> #info last year the only solution was to fall back to the previous stable release
16:21:03 <skitt> #info transportpce master branch is now building but the features don’t load
16:21:16 <skitt> #info it worked before :-)
16:22:27 <CaseyLF> dfarrell07: I haven't seen the ticket from Ariel regarding the request for SSH access that highlights the community needs.  Can you or Jamo  open that ticket today so I can work on addressing that?
16:22:31 <skitt> #info two Orange developers spent most of last week trying to update to master
16:22:41 <skitt> #info they managed to make it build, but runtime doesn’t work
16:22:57 <skitt> #info they have three weeks before the deadline for self-managed projects
16:24:04 <skitt> #info Guillaume's personal feeling is that the current release process is well-adapted to managed projects
16:24:13 <skitt> #info but it's tough on external downstream projects
16:24:29 <skitt> #info the process isn't sustainable
16:24:42 <skitt> #info Guillaume's recommendation is to change the schedule for downstream projects
16:24:53 <skitt> #info and to require kernel projects to document their migrations
16:26:39 <skitt> #info dfarrell07 points out that the deadlines for external projects only apply if they want to ship in the distribution
16:26:49 <skitt> #info but non-managed projects are free to ship whenever they want
16:27:49 <skitt> #info LuisGomez mentions that at least some transitions were documented, and emails sent to release@
16:27:56 <skitt> #info perhaps we need to plan a TWS to go over the migrations
16:32:07 <skitt> #info we really need to document migrations
16:32:27 <skitt> #info there's some documentation in the weather items
16:35:18 <skitt> #info rovarga_ points out that it's hard to know what downstreams need to change because we don't know their code
16:35:27 <skitt> #info the long-term solution is to stabilise the core platform
16:35:53 <skitt> #info it's also suggested that downstream projects keep jobs running so they can be notified as soon as breakages occur
16:40:48 <abhijitkumbhare> #topic Releases
16:41:19 <abhijitkumbhare> #link https://jira.opendaylight.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10403
16:41:35 <abhijitkumbhare> #undo
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16:41:36 <rovarga_> abhijitkumbhare: we will need some forum to get the discussion around https://jira.opendaylight.org/browse/TSC-124 and https://jira.opendaylight.org/browse/TSC-125
16:41:45 <abhijitkumbhare> #link https://jira.opendaylight.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10403 Release Dashboard
16:43:46 <anipbu> https://jira.opendaylight.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10400
16:43:57 <abhijitkumbhare> #info Weather Item TSC-126 will be closed after autorelease passes
16:45:02 <abhijitkumbhare> #topic Clustering
16:45:28 <abhijitkumbhare> #info Continuing Clustering job analysis
16:45:51 <abhijitkumbhare> #info There are 19 open issues related to clustering
16:46:27 <abhijitkumbhare> #info There are a lot more clustering issues which are unassigned - which need help
16:48:09 <vpickard> https://jira.opendaylight.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa
16:52:08 <anipbu> rovarga_: should 124 and 125 be weather items so we continue to track it on the dashboard?
16:53:01 <rovarga_> anipbu: I think so
16:53:20 <rovarga_> anipbu: also, upcoming yangtools releases (I don't know why odlparent is showing up, but yangtools is not)
16:53:33 <skitt> #topic Cookies
16:53:37 <skitt> #endmeeting